Kickstands
RUNLEVELZERO #99
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From: Skokie
U raise the read ride height with a shim or longer AM shock & raise its RH? Cranking up the OE shock spring preload only won't do it
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From: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Raising the forks in the triple clamps will reduce the amount the bike leans while on the sidestand as will having a full tank bag and tailpack. However, raising the forks will affect how the bike handles.
As long as the sidestand is not bent or damaged and the mounting plate and pivot bolts are tight, I wouldn't worry about it.
There was a fair bit of play at the kickstand pivot on my VTR. I reduced it with shims.
Aside from that, the only sidestand issue I've encountered occurred when the rear tire was punctured and deflated. The bike could not be supported by the sidestand. With the sidestand down, the bike was past vertical and leaning toward the brake side. I had to find a small depression to put the foot of the sidestand in so the bike wouldn't fall over.
As long as the sidestand is not bent or damaged and the mounting plate and pivot bolts are tight, I wouldn't worry about it.
There was a fair bit of play at the kickstand pivot on my VTR. I reduced it with shims.
Aside from that, the only sidestand issue I've encountered occurred when the rear tire was punctured and deflated. The bike could not be supported by the sidestand. With the sidestand down, the bike was past vertical and leaning toward the brake side. I had to find a small depression to put the foot of the sidestand in so the bike wouldn't fall over.
RUNLEVELZERO #99
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From: Skokie
Raising the forks in the triple clamps will reduce the amount the bike leans while on the sidestand as will having a full tank bag and tailpack. However, raising the forks will affect how the bike handles.
As long as the sidestand is not bent or damaged and the mounting plate and pivot bolts are tight, I wouldn't worry about it.
There was a fair bit of play at the kickstand pivot on my VTR. I reduced it with shims.
Aside from that, the only sidestand issue I've encountered occurred when the rear tire was punctured and deflated. The bike could not be supported by the sidestand. With the sidestand down, the bike was past vertical and leaning toward the brake side. I had to find a small depression to put the foot of the sidestand in so the bike wouldn't fall over.
As long as the sidestand is not bent or damaged and the mounting plate and pivot bolts are tight, I wouldn't worry about it.
There was a fair bit of play at the kickstand pivot on my VTR. I reduced it with shims.
Aside from that, the only sidestand issue I've encountered occurred when the rear tire was punctured and deflated. The bike could not be supported by the sidestand. With the sidestand down, the bike was past vertical and leaning toward the brake side. I had to find a small depression to put the foot of the sidestand in so the bike wouldn't fall over.
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From: largo,fl
i like the idea of this,dont think i like the price so much.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTR10...Q5fAccessories
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTR10...Q5fAccessories
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From: Phoenix, AZ
i like the idea of this,dont think i like the price so much.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTR10...Q5fAccessories
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTR10...Q5fAccessories
Or stud it with diamonds in she shape of "$" or "BOSS" or something like that
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From: Montreal
i like the idea of this,dont think i like the price so much.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTR10...Q5fAccessories
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VTR10...Q5fAccessories
Yep, we need someone to get working on a nice lightweight (and slightly longer) billet kickstand......
Last edited by mikstr; Nov 4, 2010 at 05:40 AM.
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From: Hamilton, Ontario, Canada
Dear Skokievtr: I agree completely that raising the rear will cause the bike to lean more when it's on the sidestand. I thought my bike was too close to vertical when everything was stock and though I shimmed the shock to make it easier to turn a happy side effect was the increase in the amount the bike leaned when on the sidestand.
Dear Mikstr: A lighter, prettier side stand would be nice. The main reason I would be slow to buy one is that when I'm on a trip, I'll ask a buddy to pull the bike toward him so all the weight is on the side stand and front wheel and the rear wheel is off the ground so I can rotate it as I lube the chain. I'd be concerned that the side stand might bend or break if it were made of a weaker material than the steel used now.
Dear Mikstr: A lighter, prettier side stand would be nice. The main reason I would be slow to buy one is that when I'm on a trip, I'll ask a buddy to pull the bike toward him so all the weight is on the side stand and front wheel and the rear wheel is off the ground so I can rotate it as I lube the chain. I'd be concerned that the side stand might bend or break if it were made of a weaker material than the steel used now.
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From: NYC
Yeah, I would worry about anything weaker than stock. The great thing about this bike is that you can "pole flip" it by grabbing the frame just by the subframe with your right hand & pull & the whole bike can easily balance on the sidestand alone & you can spin it around to park it. I can barely do this on other bikes but on the VTR it saves alot of stupid adjustments. You can leave it where it is & just flip it 180* & ride off the other direction.
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From: Central Fl.
Solved two problems with one solution. That of the excessive lean because of suspension changes and that of the foot of the side stand punching through soft asphalt in the Florida sun-baked parking lots.
Hockey puck. Drilled a hole through it for a retrieval string, when under the foot of the side stand the bike is at a more reasonable angle and is in no danger of sinking into the pavement. Also, the string allows me to retrieve the puck without bending over (the other end of the string has a clothespin to clip it to the clutch lever).
Gotta love lo-tech and free in this world of solutions looking for problems.
Hockey puck. Drilled a hole through it for a retrieval string, when under the foot of the side stand the bike is at a more reasonable angle and is in no danger of sinking into the pavement. Also, the string allows me to retrieve the puck without bending over (the other end of the string has a clothespin to clip it to the clutch lever).
Gotta love lo-tech and free in this world of solutions looking for problems.
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From: Los Angeles & Winston Salem
Wood block
Yep, same thing here. Block of wood for the side stand. I think if you shim the back you pretty much have to?
Quick question? do you guys know if the ohlins rear shock is a little longer than the stock honda item?
Quick question? do you guys know if the ohlins rear shock is a little longer than the stock honda item?
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From: Pittsburgh
Since adding spacers to the top of my shock, my bike leans further than before.
Level ground is like unobtanium around here, so a little piece of plywood increases the lift of the stock sidestand just fine.
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From: Big Lick
Did the extension plate last night. worked like a charm. Anyone with the problem should consider doing it. it beats carrying around a block of wood. 
A few things of note. First, one of the bolts is part of the motor mount and goes all the way through under the motor. Second, my shift arm was in the way so I removed it to make the job easier. Third, as part of the plate fab, you have to cut a small relief section at the bottom center to allow space for the kickstand bracket to mate up to it.
A few things of note. First, one of the bolts is part of the motor mount and goes all the way through under the motor. Second, my shift arm was in the way so I removed it to make the job easier. Third, as part of the plate fab, you have to cut a small relief section at the bottom center to allow space for the kickstand bracket to mate up to it.
Last edited by Old Yeller; Jul 27, 2011 at 05:25 AM.
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Nice, Yeller. Now that I have an angle grinder/cutter, I may have to try this. Gotta find some decently thick metal, as I like to do the kickstand pivot a la smokinjoe. I think he had problems with too thin of metal before...
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From: Big Lick
the piece of metal I used was not particularly thick and I'm keeping an eye on it. However, from initial inspection it seems that the kickstand itself has more flex than the plate. The good thing about the plate is that there is very little distance between bolts so I don't think it has the stress of the stand itself.
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From: Big Lick
well, so much for my fix. My initial piece of metal stock was not thick enough and last night while I was in the garage working on the Concours the kickstand gave out and the plate bent. I replaced it with 1/8 inch stock steel I had sitting around. It gave out on the garage floor because of the relatively slick surface that allowed the stand to spread out too wide.
The aftermath included a cracked tail section because it landed on the footpeg of the concours. It also bent the shifter linkage which broke in the process of trying to straighten it. Fortunately I had some spare track backup parts to put things back together. I'll be needing a rear section though, because my track plastic is pretty beat up.
The aftermath included a cracked tail section because it landed on the footpeg of the concours. It also bent the shifter linkage which broke in the process of trying to straighten it. Fortunately I had some spare track backup parts to put things back together. I'll be needing a rear section though, because my track plastic is pretty beat up.
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From: Big Lick
have you lowered things? In my case, mine stands taller because I have the forks lowered in the triples....which makes the front end taller and slows the steering a little, and have the rear shimmed about 5 mm. those things raised the frame enough that the kickstand is not long enough and it leans over too far.
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have you lowered things? In my case, mine stands taller because I have the forks lowered in the triples....which makes the front end taller and slows the steering a little, and have the rear shimmed about 5 mm. those things raised the frame enough that the kickstand is not long enough and it leans over too far.
I raised the forks in the tripples a few mm's. But that shouldn't do anything signifigant.
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From: Big Lick
by the way....1/8 inch steel gave way on me again after I got home from work today. I've now made another bracket from 1/4 aluminum that I had in the garage. If this doesn't work, I'm going to have to get more creative with a piece that has an angle to strengthen it more. it's only happened to me in the garage where the kickstand more easily slides on the smooth concrete.
