jscobey

just curious. looking for a global figure. i cant find it anywhere on the internet.

im wondering how common, or uncommon, it really is.

its definitely not a bike i see every day. or even every month. but what was the run numbers wise from 97 onward.

kenmoore

Bike number 2 is for sale in Tasmania Australia !

Have a look at Ozfirestorm it's in the for sale section.


Here in Oz the firestorm was a big hit for a few years then right at the end Honda started distress selling them in 2007 and you could pick up a new one for 10k.


Mine is a 2005 and they were available until 06/07 as far as I know!


Like you I wonder as I don't see that many on the road here.


Maybe we should all post our Chassis numbers and start a registry.

E.Marquez

There has been an active VTR1000F registry for many years now..
Honda VTR1000

mikstr

It didn`t do very well here in Poserland/Squidville, uh, I mean North America. However, it was the number one selling bike in Australia when it came out (granted a relatively small market) and I would venture to guess it did ok in Europe and UK.

If you want to see a registry, have a look at the Micapeak site (MicaPeak dot com)... lots of VTR entires there (last few times I checked the VTR had the most entires of any bike listed)

E.Marquez

Honda VTR1000 Registry
2039 Entries as of 2014.3.25

Jack Flash

2039 is not a very large number. Plus, it caters to people who are interested in letting everyone know they have one.

The bike was produced over a 8-9 year period, and the first years are always the most popular. As you go forward in time, less bikes are produced, and sold since only minor esthetic changes have been made. This renders the bike less appealing when others come out with new, and refreshed products.

I would not be suprised to see well into the 15-20 000 units over this time span. Yeh, yeh you can disagree or not, not looking for a arguement on this, it's just my thoughts on it.

skokievtr

Calm down Erik

Just to put this to rest can we say close enough for the girls we go out with as
22.5k???

E.Marquez

Im quite calm. and quite capable of noting when a fellow member posts nonsense stuff, that in no way addresses the topic of the thread....

See above if your not sure what Im referring to....

And back to the topic of this thread.. for those that seem unable to follow along ..

how many VTR's were produced?

I cant find any production numbers published yet.. It may take what was suggested in that other thread... find the highest sequential VIN for each model year..in each distribution area and then add them up..

Or find an insider that can look, ask in the right places.... surely the production numbers are tracked and published at least at the corporate level.

scottiemann

LOL!!!


On another note... i scoured hondas world corporate website for this information... they do not publish production numbers per model...at the end of fiscal terms they publish production numbers per category(ie; autos, motorcycles, etc...) they also publish earning statements per category...

Production numbers could be considered confidential, however i have the day off tomorrow... i will send a few emails to corporate to see if they will release that information...

jscobey

22,000 worldwide for a run of around 10 years seams low.

That's an average of 2,200 a year which considering how much it costs in R&D let alone actually producing a bike, doesn't even seem like enough to even make it profitable.

Plus 2,200 split between all the dealers in the world? That seems low

nuhawk

I actually remember some of the numbers. 1998 was about 450,000 units in the US. It's biggest year and unmatched thereafter. The next years dropped significantly and less than a hundred thousand world wide in it's last year 2005. Most of it's demise is all Honda. They had great latitude to refine the bike but instead of celebrating it and improving its unique place in the market, instead chose to chase the I4 market. They handed their market share to Ducati who paraded in their face for years to come.

thetophatflash

2013 Honda produced about 12,550 motorcycle units. 20+K units is not unrealistic for the Hawk life.

scottiemann

ok so I guess its time to start counting VIN's... while on the corporate website when I was looking for the contact information, I stumbled across a few frequently asked questions... one of them happened to be "what are the production numbers for my year and model honda?" the answer... "Production numbers are not available. This information is proprietary."

VTR1000F

Don't know where you're getting that number. What I found from Honda for global production of motorcycles (including ATV's) for 2013 is 17,212 thousand and global sales of 16,790 thousand. So that's more that 17 million motorcycles and ATV's produced last year.

I found numbers for 2002-2005. I'll give you the global sales numbers for motorcycles and ATV's in millions.

2002 = 8.09
2003 = 8.67
2004 = 10.808
2005 = 12.284

They break it down more for complete units built for motorcycles and ATV's, but then they seem to lump it all back together again for knockdown units. For complete built units, motorcycles ran about 70% of the total. So, if 70% motorcycle holds for knockdown units too, then there were global sales of approximately 27.8 million motorcycles for 2002-2005.

If SuperHawks/Firestorms were 1% of that total for those years, that's 278,000 bikes just for 02-05.

Of course, there's too much speculation and too many unknowns in my numbers for me to take a stand or base an argument. I just thought I'd fan the flames a bit.

E.Marquez

And unless we can pin down every nation state or region that has it's own vehicle identification system , as well as get high and low sequential numbers by model year for those different VIN types... it's all for naught.

I "think" there are at least 4 different versions of the "VIN" Would each of those have a separate and unique sequential number in the make up? independent from the other regions?


Damned if I know

thetophatflash

It's for 2012, my mistake.

http://world.honda.com/investors/lib...2ar-p14-17.pdf

VTR1000F

OK, but it's 12,559 thousand units. That's more than 12.5 million units to you and me.

EDIT: Also, interesting, because my 2012 global sales number from Honda is 15,464 thousand motorcycles & ATV's. That's quite a discrepancy.

7moore7

Are you sure you're not counting yellow units?

VTR1000F

Can't count 'em. Too fast to see.

skokievtr

My 98 was born in 3/97 and is #1364 if that helps the tabulation any...

jscobey

how is the production date of our bikes figured out?

seems like a bunch of posts here got deleted....?

kenmoore

I'm interested in how many of our bikes were made, however the most important thing is that we all have one.

Judging by the amount of stuff still available I'd hazard a guess and say that it is a big number.


I have found it easier to get bits for the Honda than the latter model Aprillia Shiver that I had.


I ordered bits for it and was frustrated by lack of supply.


Not so with the Honda in most cases which indicates to me that there were and are a lot out there even if you take parts interchangeability into account.

E.Marquez

In the North America the vin is made up as so.


In the EU, positions 10-17 are the individual sequential number (Plant and model year are omitted)