how many VTR's were produced?
#1
how many VTR's were produced?
just curious. looking for a global figure. i cant find it anywhere on the internet.
im wondering how common, or uncommon, it really is.
its definitely not a bike i see every day. or even every month. but what was the run numbers wise from 97 onward.
im wondering how common, or uncommon, it really is.
its definitely not a bike i see every day. or even every month. but what was the run numbers wise from 97 onward.
#2
Bike number 2 is for sale in Tasmania Australia !
Have a look at Ozfirestorm it's in the for sale section.
Here in Oz the firestorm was a big hit for a few years then right at the end Honda started distress selling them in 2007 and you could pick up a new one for 10k.
Mine is a 2005 and they were available until 06/07 as far as I know!
Like you I wonder as I don't see that many on the road here.
Maybe we should all post our Chassis numbers and start a registry.
Have a look at Ozfirestorm it's in the for sale section.
Here in Oz the firestorm was a big hit for a few years then right at the end Honda started distress selling them in 2007 and you could pick up a new one for 10k.
Mine is a 2005 and they were available until 06/07 as far as I know!
Like you I wonder as I don't see that many on the road here.
Maybe we should all post our Chassis numbers and start a registry.
#3
There has been an active VTR1000F registry for many years now..
Honda VTR1000
Honda VTR1000
#4
It didn`t do very well here in Poserland/Squidville, uh, I mean North America. However, it was the number one selling bike in Australia when it came out (granted a relatively small market) and I would venture to guess it did ok in Europe and UK.
If you want to see a registry, have a look at the Micapeak site (MicaPeak dot com)... lots of VTR entires there (last few times I checked the VTR had the most entires of any bike listed)
If you want to see a registry, have a look at the Micapeak site (MicaPeak dot com)... lots of VTR entires there (last few times I checked the VTR had the most entires of any bike listed)
#6
2039 is not a very large number. Plus, it caters to people who are interested in letting everyone know they have one.
The bike was produced over a 8-9 year period, and the first years are always the most popular. As you go forward in time, less bikes are produced, and sold since only minor esthetic changes have been made. This renders the bike less appealing when others come out with new, and refreshed products.
I would not be suprised to see well into the 15-20 000 units over this time span. Yeh, yeh you can disagree or not, not looking for a arguement on this, it's just my thoughts on it.
The bike was produced over a 8-9 year period, and the first years are always the most popular. As you go forward in time, less bikes are produced, and sold since only minor esthetic changes have been made. This renders the bike less appealing when others come out with new, and refreshed products.
I would not be suprised to see well into the 15-20 000 units over this time span. Yeh, yeh you can disagree or not, not looking for a arguement on this, it's just my thoughts on it.
#8
See above if your not sure what Im referring to....
And back to the topic of this thread.. for those that seem unable to follow along ..
how many VTR's were produced?
I cant find any production numbers published yet.. It may take what was suggested in that other thread... find the highest sequential VIN for each model year..in each distribution area and then add them up..
Or find an insider that can look, ask in the right places.... surely the production numbers are tracked and published at least at the corporate level.
#9
On another note... i scoured hondas world corporate website for this information... they do not publish production numbers per model...at the end of fiscal terms they publish production numbers per category(ie; autos, motorcycles, etc...) they also publish earning statements per category...
Production numbers could be considered confidential, however i have the day off tomorrow... i will send a few emails to corporate to see if they will release that information...
#10
22,000 worldwide for a run of around 10 years seams low.
That's an average of 2,200 a year which considering how much it costs in R&D let alone actually producing a bike, doesn't even seem like enough to even make it profitable.
Plus 2,200 split between all the dealers in the world? That seems low
That's an average of 2,200 a year which considering how much it costs in R&D let alone actually producing a bike, doesn't even seem like enough to even make it profitable.
Plus 2,200 split between all the dealers in the world? That seems low
#11
I actually remember some of the numbers. 1998 was about 450,000 units in the US. It's biggest year and unmatched thereafter. The next years dropped significantly and less than a hundred thousand world wide in it's last year 2005. Most of it's demise is all Honda. They had great latitude to refine the bike but instead of celebrating it and improving its unique place in the market, instead chose to chase the I4 market. They handed their market share to Ducati who paraded in their face for years to come.
#13
ok so I guess its time to start counting VIN's... while on the corporate website when I was looking for the contact information, I stumbled across a few frequently asked questions... one of them happened to be "what are the production numbers for my year and model honda?" the answer... "Production numbers are not available. This information is proprietary."
#14
I found numbers for 2002-2005. I'll give you the global sales numbers for motorcycles and ATV's in millions.
2002 = 8.09
2003 = 8.67
2004 = 10.808
2005 = 12.284
They break it down more for complete units built for motorcycles and ATV's, but then they seem to lump it all back together again for knockdown units. For complete built units, motorcycles ran about 70% of the total. So, if 70% motorcycle holds for knockdown units too, then there were global sales of approximately 27.8 million motorcycles for 2002-2005.
If SuperHawks/Firestorms were 1% of that total for those years, that's 278,000 bikes just for 02-05.
Of course, there's too much speculation and too many unknowns in my numbers for me to take a stand or base an argument. I just thought I'd fan the flames a bit.
#15
And unless we can pin down every nation state or region that has it's own vehicle identification system , as well as get high and low sequential numbers by model year for those different VIN types... it's all for naught.
I "think" there are at least 4 different versions of the "VIN"
Would each of those have a separate and unique sequential number in the make up? independent from the other regions?
Damned if I know
I "think" there are at least 4 different versions of the "VIN"
There are at least four competing standards used to calculate VIN.
FMVSS 115, Part 565: Used in United States and Canada[2]
ISO Standard 3779: Used in Europe and many other parts of the world
SAE J853: Very similar to the ISO standard
ADR 61/2 used in Australia, referring back to ISO 3779 and 3780.[3]
FMVSS 115, Part 565: Used in United States and Canada[2]
ISO Standard 3779: Used in Europe and many other parts of the world
SAE J853: Very similar to the ISO standard
ADR 61/2 used in Australia, referring back to ISO 3779 and 3780.[3]
Damned if I know
#16
Don't know where you're getting that number. What I found from Honda for global production of motorcycles (including ATV's) for 2013 is 17,212 thousand and global sales of 16,790 thousand. So that's more that 17 million motorcycles and ATV's produced last year.
I found numbers for 2002-2005. I'll give you the global sales numbers for motorcycles and ATV's in millions.
2002 = 8.09
2003 = 8.67
2004 = 10.808
2005 = 12.284
They break it down more for complete units built for motorcycles and ATV's, but then they seem to lump it all back together again for knockdown units. For complete built units, motorcycles ran about 70% of the total. So, if 70% motorcycle holds for knockdown units too, then there were global sales of approximately 27.8 million motorcycles for 2002-2005.
If SuperHawks/Firestorms were 1% of that total for those years, that's 278,000 bikes just for 02-05.
Of course, there's too much speculation and too many unknowns in my numbers for me to take a stand or base an argument. I just thought I'd fan the flames a bit.
I found numbers for 2002-2005. I'll give you the global sales numbers for motorcycles and ATV's in millions.
2002 = 8.09
2003 = 8.67
2004 = 10.808
2005 = 12.284
They break it down more for complete units built for motorcycles and ATV's, but then they seem to lump it all back together again for knockdown units. For complete built units, motorcycles ran about 70% of the total. So, if 70% motorcycle holds for knockdown units too, then there were global sales of approximately 27.8 million motorcycles for 2002-2005.
If SuperHawks/Firestorms were 1% of that total for those years, that's 278,000 bikes just for 02-05.
Of course, there's too much speculation and too many unknowns in my numbers for me to take a stand or base an argument. I just thought I'd fan the flames a bit.
http://world.honda.com/investors/lib...2ar-p14-17.pdf
#17
OK, but it's 12,559 thousand units. That's more than 12.5 million units to you and me.
EDIT: Also, interesting, because my 2012 global sales number from Honda is 15,464 thousand motorcycles & ATV's. That's quite a discrepancy.
EDIT: Also, interesting, because my 2012 global sales number from Honda is 15,464 thousand motorcycles & ATV's. That's quite a discrepancy.
Last edited by VTR1000F; 03-26-2014 at 03:46 PM. Reason: More fuel for the fire.
#22
I'm interested in how many of our bikes were made, however the most important thing is that we all have one.
Judging by the amount of stuff still available I'd hazard a guess and say that it is a big number.
I have found it easier to get bits for the Honda than the latter model Aprillia Shiver that I had.
I ordered bits for it and was frustrated by lack of supply.
Not so with the Honda in most cases which indicates to me that there were and are a lot out there even if you take parts interchangeability into account.
Judging by the amount of stuff still available I'd hazard a guess and say that it is a big number.
I have found it easier to get bits for the Honda than the latter model Aprillia Shiver that I had.
I ordered bits for it and was frustrated by lack of supply.
Not so with the Honda in most cases which indicates to me that there were and are a lot out there even if you take parts interchangeability into account.
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