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Old 07-22-2010, 04:08 PM
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ham fisted mechanics suck

So I changed out my rear wheel/tire today. I noticed someone had totally buggered the axle adjustment bolts. Completely rounded off. If you dont have metric tools stay the hell away from the bike until you get some. The axle nut too , was alittle rounded, and really really tight. The topper was when I had it all back together and was wiping down the chain and rear wheel after lubing, I saw a shiny stripe on the wheel right against the brake disc. What the heck is that, I thought. It was the inner most brake pad. SOme MORON didnt get the front of the brake pad seated into the front of the caliper so it was rubbing/cutting into the wheel. There is about an 1/8" -3/16" grove cut into the wheel. Please check the details when you are working on bikes. Sheesh. g
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I have the exact same problem with my chain adjusters. Went to adjust my chain the other day and the left one is perfectly good and turns easily but the right one was rounded right off. The previous idiot must have used a crescent wrench or something. Given the right one was alot harder to turn and almost seized into the swingarm but come on. Instead of f**king the head get the proper tools. Now my bike is out of commission till I can get a new chain adjuster.
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Old 07-22-2010, 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by slabm7
Now my bike is out of commission till I can get a new chain adjuster.
You can't go down to Home Depot with the bolt and find a like sized one?
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If your selection of tools is a Cresent wrench and a pliers you should fix the ole lady's dryer but leave the motorcycle stuff to others.
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I suspect that it wasn't so much the wrench, but maybe they didn't loosen the axle nut first. Might have been a good thing since he would have had to retighten it and Lord knows what could have happened.
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Old 07-22-2010, 08:03 PM
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I feel the same way about crescent wrenches as I do about gay sex (no offense to gays, but I guess it would be the same as how they feel about straight sex). I cannot understand how that became a useful tool, laziness?
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Originally Posted by autoteach
I feel the same way about crescent wrenches as I do about gay sex (no offense to gays, but I guess it would be the same as how they feel about straight sex). I cannot understand how that became a useful tool, laziness?
I'm with you autoteach. When I was teaching vocational automotives for 34 years, I was lucky to have a full time toolroom attendant. He was instructed to tell the student to see me if they wanted to check out a crescent wrench or Vise Grips. That saved me a lot of work.

By the way, during my career teaching automotives, I had to deal with the results of ham fisted mechanics (I won't call them technicians) hundreds of times, if not thousands.

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Old 07-22-2010, 09:58 PM
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You have to break the first bolt to see how much you should tighten the remainder
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Originally Posted by RK1
I think a quality adjustable wrench is nice to have. They aren't all junk. Snap On and MAC make adjustable wrenches.

The problem is the guy whose only wrench is an adjustable one. That usually indicates he doesn't know what he's doing and he probably bought that wrench at a swap meet for $1.99.
I'll agree with that... Except I personally find them so much more tedious to use than just having the correct wrench on hand. But then he probably has more money to spend on lap dances not having wasted it all on nice tools
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I keep an adjustable wrench in my tank bag and trunk of my car right next to the baling wire. As distasteful as they are, you WILL use one in a pinch.
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Originally Posted by Bytes
I keep an adjustable wrench in my tank bag and trunk of my car right next to the baling wire. As distasteful as they are, you WILL use one in a pinch.
Oh, sure! When you need a wrench in the middle of nowhere, it's a life saver...
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Old 07-23-2010, 10:41 AM
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The adjustable wrench and I are best friends. Probably because Im 23 and too lazy to go to my parents house and pick up my tools. Maybe thats why it takes me so long to do any mechanical work to my cars and bike......Whatever, a set of wrenches is just a waste of space. Right?
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Old 07-23-2010, 10:42 AM
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Oh and I dont keep any screw drivers at my hows either. A pocket knife works just fine.
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Old 07-23-2010, 10:43 AM
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Originally Posted by pwshadow
The adjustable wrench and I are best friends. Probably because Im 23 and too lazy to go to my parents house and pick up my tools. Maybe thats why it takes me so long to do any mechanical work to my cars and bike......Whatever, a set of wrenches is just a waste of space. Right?
Until your adjustable wrench doesn't quite do the job right and starts rounding **** off ... usually immediately followed by blood letting from busted knuckles.
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Old 07-23-2010, 01:06 PM
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You've got to be sure to use a metric adjustable wrench. Same thing with Vise Grips.
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Old 07-23-2010, 02:28 PM
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Not to be a dumb ***, besides the squid thing. I don't own a adjustable wrench. While i have owned JAP" vehicles since first motorcyle at 7yrs old. My truck 05 tundra, wife's car 07' nissan altma, then you can read the bike list-ALL vehicle carry a bag with 8mm, 10mm,12mm,14mm,17mm,19mm combination wrench. On a bet I believe you can disassemble most JAP" items with this selection....
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Old 07-23-2010, 02:38 PM
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Originally Posted by pwshadow
Oh and I dont keep any screw drivers at my hows either.....
Hows?
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Old 07-23-2010, 02:46 PM
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My Craftsman wrenches are marked with metric sizes....+1 RK1
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Old 07-23-2010, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by VTRsurfer
I was lucky to have a full time toolroom attendant. He was instructed to tell the student to see me if they wanted to check out a crescent wrench or Vise Grips. That saved me a lot of work.
You're a lucky bugger. We lost all our storeman and maintenance guys a long time ago. So these days as well as teach, prepare lessons and do the admin, we have to try and keep a track of the tools, keep all the teaching resources serviced and or repaired. This can all be quite time consuming, as one of the main standards of the qualification package here is that the training must be "inclusive". That just means that regardless of any special needs of the student, we need to have a learning strategy that allows them to participate. This ensures that at some stage you will have classes that can be difficult to manage, and that damage will occur to equipment.

In my stage one class I make all my students use a tension wrench on just about everything they undo or do up. I feel this lets them experience just how tight a fastener should be. Most people tend to over tighten them by default, and they are very surprised just how lightly some bolts need to be done up.
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Old 07-23-2010, 05:17 PM
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I have full sets of both AF and Metric, with a few Witworth sizes thrown in. These days I don't use the AF stuff as much. Most of our stuff is metric. Witworth is fairly rare, but it does still pop up in some specialised equipment.
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Originally Posted by RK1
Adjustable wrenches don't round off fasteners, guys who don't know what they are doing, don't understand the limitations of their tools round off fasteners.
Thanks, I just spit lemonade across the room!
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TRUELY, an educated bunch of scholars
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Originally Posted by colinlinz
You're a lucky bugger. We lost all our storeman and maintenance guys a long time ago.
I taught in a 10 bay shop with 4 above ground Rotary lifts, BAR 97 smog dyno, and Hunter 4-wheel alignment. One semester after I retired, they cut the toolroom position. Our toolroom was almost as large as my entire house, and 99% of the hand tools were Snap-on.
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Originally Posted by thetophatflash
I suspect that it wasn't so much the wrench, but maybe they didn't loosen the axle nut first. Might have been a good thing since he would have had to retighten it and Lord knows what could have happened.
Correct, it was not the wrench, it was the dope using it. The thing is, those guys usually ride really fast as well, they do not understand consequences.

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Old 07-24-2010, 08:21 PM
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Factory Tool Kit Junk

They may have buggered up the axle nut using the factory tool kit under the seat. Maybe to tighten the chain on the road. You ever had to use the factory tool kit? Stamped steel junk, but barely better than nothing if your on the side of the road 10 miles from home. I tried to use it once to get a spark plug out. The only useable tool in there is the tool to adjust the rear shock, and that barely works.

Previous owner on my bike completely rounded off the allen head on the aluminum cover over the crankshaft bolt. It looks like he used the allen key in the tool kit as it was rounded too. Luckily there was a spare cover in a box of parts that came with the bike. I got the bad one off with hammer and chisel.
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