DYNOJET POLL ! TORQUE POCKETS FOUND
04-05-2005, 11:17 AM
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DYNOJET POLL ! TORQUE POCKETS FOUND
hey guys, ordered the dynojet for only 66.12 ( http://www.motorcycleproshop.com/det...uct_id=DJ-1185 ) . so instead of messin around with stock jets, and seeing how its HALF the price of other kits for bikes, i got it. its comin in on friday. not familiar with what works the best with our sweet **** bikes.
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i wanna know in a few short sentences whose got the sweet setup and what jets you used for the DYNOJET brand jet kit #1185 to get to your ample torque and smooth throttle when the carb goes from one jet to the next while accelerating. EX: 185/190 mains and 2 turns out on a/f screws or....whatever)
i got a 98 , with very open MIG high mount pipes, no special air filter or nothin. just pipes with the tps mod , and pair flaps were flipped. thats it. am gonna put it in on thursday i hope. thanks guys
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BUT ,
i wanna know in a few short sentences whose got the sweet setup and what jets you used for the DYNOJET brand jet kit #1185 to get to your ample torque and smooth throttle when the carb goes from one jet to the next while accelerating. EX: 185/190 mains and 2 turns out on a/f screws or....whatever)
i got a 98 , with very open MIG high mount pipes, no special air filter or nothin. just pipes with the tps mod , and pair flaps were flipped. thats it. am gonna put it in on thursday i hope. thanks guys
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04-05-2005, 02:06 PM
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interesting indeed .well, you should only have at the most 10 variations, seeing how you either have a:
1. free flowing aftermarket pipe OR semi restricted
2. stock or aftermarket air filter
3. can only be a VTR
4. can only be a dynojet STAGE ONE
so it shouldnt be too bad. other than small mods like no tps or tps adjustment and pair removal or no pair removal. maybe ill be completely wrong, but i just want an average so i can start from there
. cutting corners yes 
lol
1. free flowing aftermarket pipe OR semi restricted
2. stock or aftermarket air filter
3. can only be a VTR
4. can only be a dynojet STAGE ONE
so it shouldnt be too bad. other than small mods like no tps or tps adjustment and pair removal or no pair removal. maybe ill be completely wrong, but i just want an average so i can start from there
. cutting corners yes lol
04-05-2005, 02:26 PM
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Re: DYNOJET POLL ! TORQUE POCKETS FOUND
I agree with you Cleveland.
IMO we should have this base line set up in the knowledge base. I'm about to do the TPS and Dynojet mod sometime this month and it would be nice if it was all in one thread.
Wasn't it 2 and a half turns out??
IMO we should have this base line set up in the knowledge base. I'm about to do the TPS and Dynojet mod sometime this month and it would be nice if it was all in one thread.
Wasn't it 2 and a half turns out??
04-05-2005, 02:27 PM
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You can get close but jetting is really bike specific, not model specfic.
Here's your starting point:
pilot jets stock
pilot needles 2.5 turns out
needles on the middle clip position
Mains, one size over, no more
Most likely, you'll have the 3,000-3,500 stumble. If you do, richen the needles one setting.
This, BTW, is the same advice I'd give for any rejetted bike of any kind. A big mistake people make with jetting is to go big as a shortcut.
Anyway, lets see what others have found.
Here's your starting point:
pilot jets stock
pilot needles 2.5 turns out
needles on the middle clip position
Mains, one size over, no more
Most likely, you'll have the 3,000-3,500 stumble. If you do, richen the needles one setting.
This, BTW, is the same advice I'd give for any rejetted bike of any kind. A big mistake people make with jetting is to go big as a shortcut.
Anyway, lets see what others have found.
04-05-2005, 03:02 PM
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Re: DYNOJET POLL ! TORQUE POCKETS FOUND
good stuff... though, i am looking for more specific results that work for EACH superhawk. like :
"i have a vtr1000f 2004 with micron exhaust cans, stock headers, and stock air filter. i use 180 for front and 185 for rear carb and 2 turns out on air screws. "
otherwise, its all greek.
"i have a vtr1000f 2004 with micron exhaust cans, stock headers, and stock air filter. i use 180 for front and 185 for rear carb and 2 turns out on air screws. "
otherwise, its all greek.
04-06-2005, 06:14 PM
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hmm, no one has dynojet kits here? ? ? what about the acclaimed flat spot at 5k ? just kiddin 
looked at tracking number... its comin tomorrow. just wanted some more input....
looked at tracking number... its comin tomorrow. just wanted some more input....
04-07-2005, 03:11 PM
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I just had the carbs off my 02 apart to clean. I have no mods at all. One of the most respected techs in my area who is a superhawk enthusiast told me to go to 48's for the slow jets (stock is 45). He gave me a tool from a Dynojet kit to turn the pilot screws (Let me know how the one that comes with your kit works, as it will be a few weeks before I get to mine). He told me to start with the pilot screws between 2 1/4 and 2 1/2, then follow this procedure:
1. Adjust idle to spec (with idle adjustment screw).
2. Turn front carb pilot screw either way until highest idle is obtained.
3. Adjust idle to spec (with idle adustment screw).
4. Turn rear carb pilot screw either way until highest idle is obtained.
5. Adjust idle to spec (with idle adjustment screw)
6. Drink Beer, you are done.
There is also a complicated "Idle drop" method of adjusting the pilot screws in the OEM manual. I can send you a copy, but you need an external tach capable of discerning differences of 50 rpm. The tech I talked to said this wasn't necessary.
Good luck - and like I said, let me know how that tool works, or if you come up with any slick way to make it work.
1. Adjust idle to spec (with idle adjustment screw).
2. Turn front carb pilot screw either way until highest idle is obtained.
3. Adjust idle to spec (with idle adustment screw).
4. Turn rear carb pilot screw either way until highest idle is obtained.
5. Adjust idle to spec (with idle adjustment screw)
6. Drink Beer, you are done.
There is also a complicated "Idle drop" method of adjusting the pilot screws in the OEM manual. I can send you a copy, but you need an external tach capable of discerning differences of 50 rpm. The tech I talked to said this wasn't necessary.
Good luck - and like I said, let me know how that tool works, or if you come up with any slick way to make it work.
04-08-2005, 01:30 AM
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you know what.... put the dyno in... still same problem, i tried the first clip from the flat top of the non pointey end, all the way to the 4th one. every time, same crap... good idle... crack to half throttle, and a bubbling like out of gas around 2.5k , wait 1 second, and then it rips up in the rpm's. if i slowly go up so it hits 2.5-4k and hold my throttle hand steady when in neutral , it bummbles up and down, then lowers in rpms like its gonna stall. i think i need a slow jet change as you say. i have stock 45's.... if i change to 48's, im assuming itll make a difference(less or more fuel at 1/4 throttle when going to higher number for slow jet?). i hope, the throttle past 5k is awesome, no popping or nothing, just quick transition while cold or warm from idle to rippin it open will gurgle then rip up. aint that the slow jet? i change fuel mix screws from 1.5 to 3 , 1.75 being a better idle. have in there now 180 185 1.75 out and 4th from flat end of needles and still the same. its 4:30 AM , and i tried everything with the fule mix screws... it aint that, so im PRESUMING that the slow jet is the one the throttle uses to transition from idle to main jet??? all i know is its doin the same thing as before i put in the jet with MIG high mounts and stock air filter. gotta be that damn slo jet! i am tired. hope i am making sense. get back to me please!!! 
p.s. the air screw tool looks just like a .223 rifle casing with a D end to adjust. i simply dremeled the end of the screw on the carbs and can reach it with this hose i makeshifted. FYI, the tool is comletely round, so you have to make "half marks' to know how many turns you went out/in
p.s. the air screw tool looks just like a .223 rifle casing with a D end to adjust. i simply dremeled the end of the screw on the carbs and can reach it with this hose i makeshifted. FYI, the tool is comletely round, so you have to make "half marks' to know how many turns you went out/in
04-08-2005, 04:43 AM
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Not to thread hijack or anything, but i got a quick question. I have an '02 hawk with Yosh pipes. I bought the bike with the pipes on it. I here a lot of people complain about a stumble in the middle to low rpms and trying to jet the bike to fix the problem. I have never had this problem but i do not know if the bike has been jetted. Is there anyway to visually tell if it is jetted?
04-08-2005, 07:05 AM
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hello mr. threadjacker . yes, all you do is pull of the carbs and look under the black end caps and pull the needles... if they have an adjustment clip, its aftermarket. to confirm you must pull the main jets to see if they dont have the honda stamp serial model crap on em too.
. yes, all you do is pull of the carbs and look under the black end caps and pull the needles... if they have an adjustment clip, its aftermarket. to confirm you must pull the main jets to see if they dont have the honda stamp serial model crap on em too.
04-08-2005, 11:32 AM
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Re: DYNOJET POLL ! TORQUE POCKETS FOUND
i tried the first clip from the flat top of the non pointey end, all the way to the 4th one. every time, same crap... good idle... crack to half throttle, and a bubbling like out of gas around 2.5k , wait 1 second, and then it rips up in the rpm's.
04-08-2005, 02:47 PM
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bling. i doubt itll help, seeing how i talked to dynojet dude named kirk today, and he said i have the washers in the wrong place. you use the stock washer closer to the tip than the dyno washer, WHICH is behind the e-clip(or simply closer to the flat end) . in other word your supposed to sandwhich the eclip with the two washers, the stock being closest to the pointy tip. well. I HAD THEM BOTH in front of the eclip, THUS bringing me theoretically to the #5 clip when i was really on 4. 8) i hope im not on crack and you see what im sayin. i had the needle pulled out of the carb hole with 2 washers stacked just as much as with one washer and one clip closer to point... well, sorta. i think its that damn slow jet... i wish i could get one online , but i wanna play right now 
im itchin, weather is gettin good. he said FORGET the idle mix screws. set it, and thats it.... he said screw the slow jet.... and just mess around with the needle. that was his advise
im itchin, weather is gettin good. he said FORGET the idle mix screws. set it, and thats it.... he said screw the slow jet.... and just mess around with the needle. that was his advise
04-08-2005, 03:04 PM
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you know what.... put the dyno in... still same problem, i tried the first clip from the flat top of the non pointey end, all the way to the 4th one. every time, same crap... good idle... crack to half throttle, and a bubbling like out of gas around 2.5k , wait 1 second, and then it rips up in the rpm's. if i slowly go up so it hits 2.5-4k and hold my throttle hand steady when in neutral , it bummbles up and down, then lowers in rpms like its gonna stall. i think i need a slow jet change as you say. i have stock 45's.... if i change to 48's, im assuming itll make a difference(less or more fuel at 1/4 throttle when going to higher number for slow jet?). i hope, the throttle past 5k is awesome, no popping or nothing, just quick transition while cold or warm from idle to rippin it open will gurgle then rip up. aint that the slow jet?
Pilot jets are idle jets. The needle itself controls midrange fueling. If the pilot jets are too big, it can contribute to the problem but it doesn't sound like the cause.
I'll be interested to see how this turns out.
04-08-2005, 03:28 PM
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well, i think i tried that (again, up till 4:30 doin this) , you know, the closest ring to the flat end to dip the needles in, and it still stunk... but ill do it again. if its still rich, ill have to get 2 new slow jets from 45# to 42# i guess. i mean, if i go to in on the mix scrws (ie: 1 - 1.5) what automatic telltale signs will i see for a lean condition? i definitly dont have the tach to do that crap so.... i mean if its lean, and im at 1.5 turns and the needles are in as far as they go... what can i do 
hahah. i love this stuff. no really.... learn a lot. thanks guys
hahah. i love this stuff. no really.... learn a lot. thanks guys
04-08-2005, 03:49 PM
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I can't remember but isn't stock a 38? If so a 45 is way too big. I'd only go up one size on the pilots. I'll bet your mixture screws don't do much do they?
But I still think you have some problem with the needle circuit. It is unlikely that the proper needles would need to be full in and still not run lean.
But I still think you have some problem with the needle circuit. It is unlikely that the proper needles would need to be full in and still not run lean.
04-08-2005, 04:12 PM
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yup, you got it, they dont do squat. i mean, if i go to 3 out, itll run horribly. oh yeah... just so you know... when i test rode it-as i stated in another reply- it was runnin like poop. couldnt hold idle. so i opened the throttle, killed the kill switch, and pressed the starter to UNFOUL the plugs. then fired it up and boom, it worked great until about 5 seconds. so yeah, im runnin rich, but the rest of the circuit(ie: main jet) is fine. just from 2-3k and tryin to hold it there. it bumbles and then lowers to like 1.5, until i yank it to hit the main jet.
04-08-2005, 07:10 PM
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What did that guy kirk tell you to set the pilot screws at? Like I mentioned previously, a really well respected tech in my area, who has owned several superhawks told me to go up to a 48 slow jet - and that was on my bike which is completely stock. I can only image yours would need more gas since it's breathing more freely. I got my 48's at the Honda dealer - they had them in stock for about $4.00 each. You shouldn't feel bad that it's giving you such problems - jetting is really an art form. I have ridden precious few that were done perfect, and lots and lots of horrid ones. Don't give up of compromise - when you get it dialed in it will be worth it.
04-08-2005, 07:15 PM
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Also, I think it would be really unlikely that a stock 45 slow jet is making your bike too rich. I agree that Burbling can be a sympton of a rich mixture, but for crying out loud, they send them from factory barely sipping gas so they can pass emissions. I just can't imagine stock slow jets with your pipes would equal too rich.
04-09-2005, 03:32 PM
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got it guys , after talking to a repair guy in a dealership..... he was like "oh man, you got MIG high mounts?!?!?! those are old racing pipes, you know how open those things are?" ok, so i got the jist. these MIG pipes are like d&d race pipes were for my cbr... loud and OPEN ! meaning, i GOTTA be lean. so i put that e clip on the 6th slot, the one closest to the sharp point... and boom , no more flat spotting. it needed gas... SIGH.... well thanks for everyones help ! ! ! this forum is priceless. its just so weird that theyre such open pipes they need it on the 6th ring with the stock washer for the shim. . . bet no one else on here is on 6th ring! . my air screws are 2 turns out btw.
well anyhoo, got another question...
i am thinking of adding a washer or 2 to shim the needles more.. but am going to test ride it more to see by seat of the pants if it needs it. what signs do i look for when i know i put too many or have too less washers shimming the needle? i mean right now, while on its kickstand, i was reving it to 6k rpm and it backfired with a crisp "POP" from the exhaust... havent heard that one yet. but i think it may be a hair lean still.. i dunno. it was lean as hell before fixin it and i heard no coughin from the airbox which your supposed to hear when its lean. anyways... im gonna ride here tomorrow, so keep me posted as to what signs i should look for to give it more juice than air(add a washer) , or not to. thanks a million
, after talking to a repair guy in a dealership..... he was like "oh man, you got MIG high mounts?!?!?! those are old racing pipes, you know how open those things are?" ok, so i got the jist. these MIG pipes are like d&d race pipes were for my cbr... loud and OPEN ! meaning, i GOTTA be lean. so i put that e clip on the 6th slot, the one closest to the sharp point... and boom , no more flat spotting. it needed gas... SIGH.... well thanks for everyones help ! ! ! this forum is priceless. its just so weird that theyre such open pipes they need it on the 6th ring with the stock washer for the shim. . . bet no one else on here is on 6th ring! . my air screws are 2 turns out btw. well anyhoo, got another question...
i am thinking of adding a washer or 2 to shim the needles more.. but am going to test ride it more to see by seat of the pants if it needs it. what signs do i look for when i know i put too many or have too less washers shimming the needle? i mean right now, while on its kickstand, i was reving it to 6k rpm and it backfired with a crisp "POP" from the exhaust... havent heard that one yet. but i think it may be a hair lean still.. i dunno. it was lean as hell before fixin it and i heard no coughin from the airbox which your supposed to hear when its lean. anyways... im gonna ride here tomorrow, so keep me posted as to what signs i should look for to give it more juice than air(add a washer) , or not to. thanks a million
04-09-2005, 07:11 PM
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I can't see how your solution addresses your described problems but nothing argues with success. Don't be too quick to move beyond the jet kit parameters.
You're running an unusually rich midrange configuration with a very lean idle circuit adjustment. And before you described a rich idle circuit as your symptom. Any particular variation in the free-flow of the mig system is going to be offset by the high mount anyway.
Anyway, I'm glad you got it fixed.
You're running an unusually rich midrange configuration with a very lean idle circuit adjustment. And before you described a rich idle circuit as your symptom. Any particular variation in the free-flow of the mig system is going to be offset by the high mount anyway.
Anyway, I'm glad you got it fixed.
04-10-2005, 12:54 AM
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ok ok, bling, so im a moron. anyways, i will richin my mix screws more seeing how i know NOW that theyre not the problem... anyways,,, ill keep ya posted as to what happens. im still tryin to rig something to the front mix screw to mess with the idle without payin 100$ for that gay tool . ciao :P
anyways, i will richin my mix screws more seeing how i know NOW that theyre not the problem... anyways,,, ill keep ya posted as to what happens. im still tryin to rig something to the front mix screw to mess with the idle without payin 100$ for that gay tool . ciao :P
04-10-2005, 10:04 AM
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jschmidt, you know what i was thinkin?? if im at 180 jet in front and 185 jet in rear.... dont you think i should fling em up to 185 190 seeing how i am on the 6th ring now for the neeedles-meaning i have a boat load of air from the pipes and need a fair amount of gas to compensate for them- im thinkin my top end will be fluttery once i get it out tomorrow from lack of gas. i mean, wouldnt it be almost a no brainer to switch the mains out to one step higher now seeing how high i am on the needles for mid-throttle? am i ranting? :wink:
