1998 SH VS 2002 FZ1
 

So here is the deal. My buddy has a 2002 FZ1 and just went to motorcycle school to learn to ride. He rides good but I have had two wheels for 20 yrs. SO he has been talking thrash about how fast his bike is. He just got it and about 2 months later I got my SH. I told him look your bike is faster and has more HP; but I will smoke you at the track 1/4 mile. So I am asking you guys on who you think will win? I uderstand that there are 5000 variables but just shoot your opinion. He only has a slip on two brothers. He is a big dude too like 6'2 300. I am 5'11 and 200.

Only way to find out is to hit the track.
Be sure and post your timing slips when you report on the outcome!


Rex

If he just learned to ride and you're good on your superhawk my money's on you. Equal riders though & the FZ's gonna do a little better in the 1/4 mile-it should it's got 25hp on a superhawk, plus will show bigger gains with mild mods.

a modern 600 SS is just as fast if not faster down the 1/4 mile, an FZ1 with its fatter torque will destroy the superhawk...

its a detuned R1 engine in there...from what i can find on youtube, it runs low low 11's high 10's

I have a hard time believing any modern 600cc bike will beat a VTR down a drag strip. Every single one I've ridden is so anemic down low it makes it frustrating to ride.

A Super Hawk will run low 11's or high 10's. The FZ1 is more like mid tens with about 10 more miles an hour. Still, a lot depends on the rider and 996serrano's buddy is pretty porky.
Should be a good race.

Yeah, they're a pain to ride on the street and you just have to get used to revving the snot out of them, but, ridden well, they will smoke a VTR.

Spent 8 years with both in the garage. If he doesn't crash, miss a shift, or wheelie over, you are toast. FZ1 is the "other" most under rated bike in my opinion. Your results may vary.

20 years of motorcycling doesnt make you a good drag racer...but then again, someone who just took a MSF class is probably not good themselves.

I think the 100lb advantage you have makes up for his hp advantage. Practice some launches and beat his ass. :lol:

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I have to disagree. 600 is same or better HP and weighs considerably less.

Keep that 600 above 9000 rpms and the SH is gonna get its ass whooped all things equal, i.e., rider weight, skill, etc.

Around a track, yes... down a drag strip, no.

you seen the 1/4mile times of the modern 600s? 10.6-10.8 in the magazines. I've had a few of my friends rocket into the mid 10s on their 600s....close to stock too. Haven't heard of too many hawks in the mid-10s...or even the high 10s.

the rider wins this match up... they are too close in power to weight ratio with the FZ1 rider being 100 pounds heavier.

They (modern 600 race reps) are faster everywhere.

You can tell that it's winter, look at all the bench racing.

It's been stated correctly already it depends on the rider.

My bench is faster than yours!!! :p


Rex

Did some 1/8 mile drag strip racing this past summer against a friend with an r6 and beat him on most runs, but doubt i could beat him in 1/4 mile. My biggest problem was avoiding big wheelies on launchs, "see my pic" Fz1 would be toast on track, with its long wheelbase and high weight.

I guess thats -2. We all love our hawks but all the guys here that claim modern 600's are "anemic" havn't ridden them, or ridden them well. If you shift them at 3500, yes, they dont do much. But even if you're shifting right around 5 figures they're gunna wax a hawk. The last 600 I rode was an 06 that shares its model name with my Handle and it would have been difficult for anyone on it to get beat by a superhawk.

I can smoke my buddy's 07 R6. Keep the front end down and I think you could take the FZ1.

with all due respect, I believe you're dreamin. The FZ1 weight is similar to SH weight, only with 130 HP. Hell i had an 1988 1000cc hurricane with 130 HP that weighed 80 lbs more than the FZ1 or the SH, and it ran the quarter in the mid 10's.

Modern 600's weigh less with equal or greater HP than our SHs. They appear to be anemic if ridden like a bike with lots of torque, as with the SH; however, keep the rpms up there in the balcony and it's a completely different ballgame.

http://www.dragtimes.com/Yamaha-FZ-Timeslip-7383.html

http://www.dragtimes.com/Honda-Super...slip-7434.html

Hope your buddy's weight throws this off. Don't forget to update this thread when/if you actually run them. Might help with the cabin fever and bench racing.

That '02 FZ1 is a literbike, not a 600. It's quicker than a VTR but I think your 100 lb weight advantage cancels that out.

I'm not sure the FZ has standard sprockets in your link, so that would make a difference, although no mention of gearing for the SH.

The FZ is so much easier to launch. It's wheel base is longer and it will make the same torque as the hawk if launched in the right rev range. I'm with the guys praising the 600's. They'll kick our SH asses if ridden correctly but who wants to ride at WFO throttle all the time. Real world messing around and back road carving, the SH rules. Try to pull an 80mph wheelie on a 600. On a closed road of course.

If you scroll down you notice the FZ1 is running NOS (the trap speed seemed way too high for a stock FZ1....). On a much more minor level, the SH was running 92 octane, a factor which robs about 2 hp....

Bike for bike both the FZ1 and any new 600 is gonna take the superhawk guys. The superhawk has a STRONG top gear roll on, but just put any of those other bikes in their powerband and it's bye bye. Again it's all down to the riders though. Rickey Gadson broke into the NINES with a stock R6 (they lowered it and changed the sprocket 1 tooth) a few years back. But none of us are Rickey Gadson. I'd love to see him ride a stock superhawk for the hell of it. Until then I think the 10.83/127.32 from motorcycle.com is gonna have to do-it's by far the quickest and fastest time I've ever seen for a superhawk. Two different riders changes everything though. Hell years back I remember racing a brand new viper with my stock '72 corvette. He tried and tried and couldn't pull on me. He said "wow that's fast" I so "no you need to learn how to drive." Go race him already and let us know what happens. Then switch bikes and let us know how that goes.

And being 300 lbs won't do him any favors in a drag race ;)

Sorry, I have problems trusting anything that supposedly took place at Roswell speedway.

I seem to recall CW getting a 10.78 on a 97 SH, along with 3.5 second roll-on times for 60-80 and 80-100 (or was that for 50-70 and 70-90?).....

Yeah maybe I've never seen the original (if there was) CW test of the superhawk. I remember an 11.01 when it won bike their "sweet 16" shootout in '97. And old issues of Motorcyclist & Sport Rider both had it running 11.17 with the usual "violent clutch grabbing" issues lol. I remember seeing a newer issue of Motorcyclist where their performance index actually had it running the 2nd fastest top gear roll on of ANY bike-surprisingly beating some much faster bikes. It's true, I used to walk on my friend's '98 zx9 in top gear, but only for a short distance, then he'd pass me at a rather embarrassing rate ;) And sorry I like my old magazines...