History Unfolding....
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History Unfolding....
I received this in an E-mail. Great read.
This is enlightening. Lest you think it was written by some right-wing kook, David Kaiser is a respected historian whose published works have covered a broad range of topics, from European Warfare to American League Baseball. Born in 1947, the son of a diplomat, Kaiser spent his childhood in three capital cities: Washington D.C., Albany, New York, and Dakar, Senegal. He attended Harvard University, graduating there in 1969 with a B.A. in history. He then spent several years more at Harvard, gaining a PhD in history, which he obtained in 1976. He served in the Army Reserve from 1970 to 1976.
He is a professor in the Strategy and Policy Department of the United States Naval War College and has previously taught at Carnegie Mellon, WilliamsCollege and Harvard University. Kaiser's latest book, The Road to Dallas, about the Kennedy assassination, was just published by Harvard University Press.
Dr. David Kaiser
"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." - Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it.. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severely wound our country and our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money; yours and mine And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders, apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, and social security is nearly bankrupt, as is Medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big as Wasilla, Alaska, all of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again, and that is only the beginning.
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe, and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and change, and the people surely got what they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. When Winston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors, all with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown, Rhode Island
United States
This is enlightening. Lest you think it was written by some right-wing kook, David Kaiser is a respected historian whose published works have covered a broad range of topics, from European Warfare to American League Baseball. Born in 1947, the son of a diplomat, Kaiser spent his childhood in three capital cities: Washington D.C., Albany, New York, and Dakar, Senegal. He attended Harvard University, graduating there in 1969 with a B.A. in history. He then spent several years more at Harvard, gaining a PhD in history, which he obtained in 1976. He served in the Army Reserve from 1970 to 1976.
He is a professor in the Strategy and Policy Department of the United States Naval War College and has previously taught at Carnegie Mellon, WilliamsCollege and Harvard University. Kaiser's latest book, The Road to Dallas, about the Kennedy assassination, was just published by Harvard University Press.
Dr. David Kaiser
"My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it." - Barack Obama
History Unfolding
I am a student of history. Professionally, I have written 15 books on history that have been published in six languages, and I have studied history all my life. I have come to think there is something monumentally large afoot, and I do not believe it is simply a banking crisis, or a mortgage crisis, or a credit crisis. Yes these exist, but they are merely single facets on a very large gemstone that is only now coming into a sharper focus.
Something of historic proportions is happening. I can sense it because I know how it feels, smells, what it looks like, and how people react to it.. Yes, a perfect storm may be brewing, but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two.
We demand and then codify into law the requirement that our banks make massive loans to people we know they can never pay back? Why?
(JCS: Re above and below, I say in order to severely wound our country and our economy, and reduce our will to resist.)
We learned just days ago that the Federal Reserve, which has little or no real oversight by anyone, has "loaned" two trillion dollars (that is $2,000,000,000,000) over the past few months, but will not tell us to whom or why or disclose the terms. That is our money; yours and mine And that is three times the $700 billion we all argued about so strenuously just this past September. Who has this money? Why do they have it? Why are the terms unavailable to us? Who asked for it? Who authorized it? I thought this was a government of "we the people," who loaned our powers to our elected leaders, apparently not.
We have spent two or more decades intentionally de-industrializing our economy. Why?
We have intentionally dumbed down our schools, ignored our history, and no longer teach our founding documents, why we are exceptional, and why we are worth preserving. Students by and large cannot write, think critically, read, or articulate. Parents are not revolting, teachers are not picketing, school boards continue to back mediocrity. Why?
We have now established the precedent of protesting every close election (violently in California over a proposition that is so controversial that it simply wants marriage to remain defined as between one man and one woman. Did you ever think such a thing possible just a decade ago?) We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life, and then mainstream Marxist groups like ACORN and others to turn our voting system into a banana republic. To what purpose?
Now our mortgage industry is collapsing, housing prices are in free fall, major industries are failing, our banking system is on the verge of collapse, and social security is nearly bankrupt, as is Medicare and our entire government. Our education system is worse than a joke (I teach college and I know precisely what I am talking about) - the list is staggering in its length, breadth, and depth.. It is potentially 1929 x ten... And we are at war with an enemy we cannot even name for fear of offending people of the same religion, who, in turn, cannot wait to slit the throats of your children if they have the opportunity to do so.
And finally, we have elected a man that no one really knows anything about, who has never run so much as a Dairy Queen, let alone a town as big as Wasilla, Alaska, all of his associations and alliances are with real radicals in their chosen fields of employment, and everything we learn about him, drip by drip, is unsettling if not downright scary (Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders? No? Oh, of course. The media would never play that for you over and over and then demand he answer it. Sarah Palin's pregnant daughter and $150,000 wardrobe are more important.)
Mr. Obama's winning platform can be boiled down to one word: Change. Why?
I have never been so afraid for my country and for my children as I am now
This man campaigned on bringing people together, something he has never, ever done in his professional life. In my assessment, Obama will divide us along philosophical lines, push us apart, and then try to realign the pieces into a new and different power structure. Change is indeed coming. And when it comes, you will never see the same nation again, and that is only the beginning.
As a serious student of history, I thought I would never come to experience what the ordinary, moral German must have felt in the mid-1930s. In those times, the "savior" was a former smooth-talking rabble-rouser from the streets, about whom the average German knew next to nothing. What they should have known was that he was associated with groups that shouted, shoved, and pushed around people with whom they disagreed; he edged his way onto the political stage through great oratory. Conservative "losers" read it right now.
And there were the promises. Economic times were tough, people were losing jobs, and he was a great speaker. And he smiled and frowned and waved a lot. And people, even newspapers, were afraid to speak out for fear that his "brown shirts" would bully and beat them into submission. Which they did - regularly. And then, he was duly elected to office, while a full-throttled economic crisis bloomed at hand - the Great Depression. Slowly, but surely he seized the controls of government power, person by person, department by department, bureaucracy by bureaucracy. The children of German citizens were at first, encouraged to join a Youth Movement in his name where they were taught exactly what to think. Later, they were required to do so. No Jews of course,
How did he get people on his side? He did it by promising jobs to the jobless, money to the money-less, and rewards for the military-industrial complex. He did it by indoctrinating the children, advocating gun control, health care for all, better wages, better jobs, and promising to re-instill pride once again in the country, across Europe, and across the world. He did it with a compliant media - did you know that? And he did this all in the name of justice and change, and the people surely got what they voted for.
If you think I am exaggerating, look it up. It's all there in the history books.
So read your history books. Many people of conscience objected in 1933 and were shouted down, called names, laughed at, and ridiculed. When Winston Churchill pointed out the obvious in the late 1930s while seated in the House of Lords in England (he was not yet Prime Minister), he was booed into his seat and called a crazy troublemaker. He was right, though. And the world came to regret that he was not listened to.
Do not forget that Germany was the most educated, the most cultured country in Europe . It was full of music, art, museums, hospitals, laboratories, and universities. And yet, in less than six years (a shorter time span than just two terms of the U. S. presidency) it was rounding up its own citizens, killing others, abrogating its laws, turning children against parents, and neighbors against neighbors, all with the best of intentions, of course. The road to Hell is paved with them.
As a practical thinker, one not overly prone to emotional decisions, I have a choice: I can either believe what the objective pieces of evidence tell me (even if they make me cringe with disgust); I can believe what history is shouting to me from across the chasm of seven decades; or I can hope I am wrong by closing my eyes, having another latte, and ignoring what is transpiring around me..
I choose to believe the evidence. No doubt some people will scoff at me, others laugh, or think I am foolish, naive, or both. To some degree, perhaps I am. But I have never been afraid to look people in the eye and tell them exactly what I believe-and why I believe it.
I pray I am wrong. I do not think I am. Perhaps the only hope is our vote in the next elections.
David Kaiser
Jamestown, Rhode Island
United States
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http://www.snopes.com/politics/soapbox/proportions.asp
My buddy just e-mailed me this. I guess there is something up with the origins of this piece? oh well, I still think its a great read.
My buddy just e-mailed me this. I guess there is something up with the origins of this piece? oh well, I still think its a great read.
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What kind of ******* would object to the America hating policies of a Gregw?
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Fake? Probabaly! But the truth still stands. I believe Obama is fundamentaly inadaquate to lead our nation. I did not vote for him and i will not support him or his views... THE END!
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first line:
"this is enlightening"
oh my focking gawd that is a joke! what exactly is enlightenng about a negative, hysterical, unobjective view of doomsday? hahahahaha
someone says this sort of thing about every president!
there is always a nay-sayer about society going to hell. fock, look what rock and roll did to us!
"this is enlightening"
oh my focking gawd that is a joke! what exactly is enlightenng about a negative, hysterical, unobjective view of doomsday? hahahahaha
someone says this sort of thing about every president!
there is always a nay-sayer about society going to hell. fock, look what rock and roll did to us!
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first line:
"this is enlightening"
oh my focking gawd that is a joke! what exactly is enlightenng about a negative, hysterical, unobjective view of doomsday? hahahahaha
someone says this sort of thing about every president!
there is always a nay-sayer about society going to hell. fock, look what rock and roll did to us!
"this is enlightening"
oh my focking gawd that is a joke! what exactly is enlightenng about a negative, hysterical, unobjective view of doomsday? hahahahaha
someone says this sort of thing about every president!
there is always a nay-sayer about society going to hell. fock, look what rock and roll did to us!
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hahahahahahaha. come on, we have microwaves and VCRs. that puts us in the 80s!!! oh, we got a dyno this year!!! i'm excited to be going tomorrow night!!!
i still say rock & roll is the devil's music! tee hee!!!
i'm going to the outhouse, i'll be back in ten minutes.
i still say rock & roll is the devil's music! tee hee!!!
i'm going to the outhouse, i'll be back in ten minutes.
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Yeah. Imagine. Americans who wish to protect their own borders, culture, heritage, constitutional rights and traditions. Who the **** do Americans think they are? A people with a country, culture and rights? What kind of hateful ************* would want to maintain their own country, culture and language instead of give it all away to turd world America hating welfare parasites?
What kind of ******* would object to the America hating policies of a Gregw?
What kind of ******* would object to the America hating policies of a Gregw?
I don't know how you came to the conclusion I hate America, that was quite a leap in your own mind. I stand by the contradictions of the letter, whose author decided to remain anonymous and use someone elses name. How noble.
We have corrupted our sacred political process by allowing unelected judges to write laws that radically change our way of life
So when did that happen? Seems the congress would have to vote in a law giving their own power away. Judges can only interpret the law.
but there is something happening within our country that has been evolving for about ten to fifteen years. The pace has dramatically quickened in the past two.
If you take that at face value, most of that time Bush was in office. So is Obama following in Bush's footsteps?
Surely you have heard him speak about his idea to create and fund a mandatory civilian defense force stronger than our military for use inside our borders?
So I guess you agree with Obama on this point?
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Hi RK,
I don't know how you came to the conclusion I hate America, that was quite a leap in your own mind. I stand by the contradictions of the letter, whose author decided to remain anonymous and use someone elses name. How noble.
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So when did that happen? Seems the congress would have to vote in a law giving their own power away. Judges can only interpret the law.
If you take that at face value, most of that time Bush was in office. So is Obama following in Bush's footsteps?
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So I guess you agree with Obama on this point?
I don't know how you came to the conclusion I hate America, that was quite a leap in your own mind. I stand by the contradictions of the letter, whose author decided to remain anonymous and use someone elses name. How noble.
[/COLOR][/COLOR][/SIZE][/FONT]
So when did that happen? Seems the congress would have to vote in a law giving their own power away. Judges can only interpret the law.
If you take that at face value, most of that time Bush was in office. So is Obama following in Bush's footsteps?
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So I guess you agree with Obama on this point?
His Attorney General just ruled that wetbacks can't be deported without a court hearing and an ACLU attorney.
Ruled that Georgia can't require ID to prevent illegal alien wetback welfare parasites from voting.
He just nominated a racist card carrying member of La Raza (For those of our 'bronze' race everything, for those outside our race, nothing!) for the U.S. Supreme Court.
His lesbian shitbird head of Homeland Security refuses to call Al Quada, Hamas, Hezbola, MS-13 or the Mexican Mafia terrorists. That term is reserved for Americans who oppose "partial birth abortion" or own "assault weapons". Time to wake up.
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Oh yes, the same enlightened woman who claimed that the Sept. 11 terrorists came into the US from Canada (the truth, in fact, is that NONE of them did).
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Yes sir. That's the lesbian shitbird I'm talking about. We've got a never ending supply of murders, rapists, drug dealers, child molesters and welfare parasite drunk drivers wandering across our unprotected southern border every day.
But it would be politically incorrect and unfair to target them without mentioning and restricting our well behaved first world civilized Canadian brothers and sisters as well. Hope and Change!
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Yes sir. That's the lesbian shitbird I'm talking about. We've got a never ending supply of murders, rapists, drug dealers, child molesters and welfare parasite drunk drivers wandering across our unprotected southern border every day.
But it would be politically incorrect and unfair to target them without mentioning and restricting our well behaved first world civilized Canadian brothers and sisters as well. Hope and Change!
But it would be politically incorrect and unfair to target them without mentioning and restricting our well behaved first world civilized Canadian brothers and sisters as well. Hope and Change!
Deus vult!
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I was just watching Obama in Cairo addressing the moslem world. His policy of attempting to make nice means nothing to the Jihadists. In fact it will be interpreted as a sign of weakness. This happened in 1993 with the withdrawl of US troops out of Somalia. Al Qaeda learned that the American people do not have much tolerance for seeing US soldiers killed and dragged through the streets. Planning began on a mission to strike at the heart of America. The Jihadist is concerned with only one thing and that is to kill you and your family - they cannot be reasoned with. At least Bush realised this and attempted to deal with them with an iron fist. We will see how Obama deals with the next strike on American soil.
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wow, there's a lot of hate here. the letter, whether real or not, is gibberish. did you actually read it? he starts by asking why, why why have we been heading down this road for decades, and so many issues we are on the wrong path - and then somehow turns it all around to Obama will ruin us. I don't get it - is he suggesting we're better off staying with the same leadership? If he'd written just the first part 2 years ago would the same people be praising it? and obama somehow created these crises? If my highschooler wrote it I'd be disappointed in the logic. actually it sounds like something a highschooler might have written. glad to see it struck a chord with so many, which I'm sure was the point.
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wow, there's a lot of hate here. the letter, whether real or not, is gibberish. did you actually read it? he starts by asking why, why why have we been heading down this road for decades, and so many issues we are on the wrong path - and then somehow turns it all around to Obama will ruin us. I don't get it - is he suggesting we're better off staying with the same leadership? If he'd written just the first part 2 years ago would the same people be praising it? and obama somehow created these crises? If my highschooler wrote it I'd be disappointed in the logic. actually it sounds like something a highschooler might have written. glad to see it struck a chord with so many, which I'm sure was the point.
Lot of hate or realistic concern for the country? I'm not into the GOP=good Dem=bad thing. or visa versa. I always thought Bush was a poor excuse for a President. I think Obama is actually worse.
If you went out to lunch and the choice was dog crap on wheat vs. dog crap on rye, would you eat the one with your favorite bread? Or would you start thinking about another way to feed yourself?
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When Obama speaks on TV, he never makes eye contact with the camera. It's like he's watching a slow tennis match with his teleprompters. That in itself bothers me, let alone that he trash talks our country wherever he goes.
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Little do they know, there is a bigger groundswell than any "brownshirt" army could handle.
This administration is a ******* joke and will burn in hell soon.
Its sad to me that with all the historical importance this president brought to the table,
they screw up in such a fantasticly colossal manner.
America will spring back, after the change gets changed.
One of the things they are doing is trying to cause so much bullshit people will maybe forget about all Obamas forged documents.
This administration is a ******* joke and will burn in hell soon.
Its sad to me that with all the historical importance this president brought to the table,
they screw up in such a fantasticly colossal manner.
America will spring back, after the change gets changed.
One of the things they are doing is trying to cause so much bullshit people will maybe forget about all Obamas forged documents.
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