Great video of bully kid getting what he deserves
03-15-2011, 02:05 PM
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Great video of bully kid getting what he deserves
03-16-2011, 09:42 AM
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As a teacher, This concerns me from many perspectives. I pose the question to those of you who say "the little kid deserved the beat down" of what if that was your child who got slammed and then died???? Where was the honor in that??? What would be the repercusions of the big kid if he permanently impaired the little kid with that slam?? I showed this to all of my classes and posed the same questions. The responses varied from the gravely serious to the blantantly immature. I am conflicted like many of my students were. We agree that the little kid is a punk and needed to get punched back as long as no lasting injury was created, but on the other hand if violence is wrong in schools, it has to be wrong all the time. Either way, it was a great teaching tool for my Junior High Kids. Nothing like today's technology providing "hypothetical" ethical opportunities.
03-16-2011, 10:08 AM
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I agree with your concerns.
However, it's not as if the big kid premeditated it. He tried to be reasonable and the punk was insistent upon showing off in front of his friends.
If you're throwing punches, you are intent on inflicting bodily harm. The big kid had enough and snapped. I'm sure he felt bad about it afterward. But he needed to get himself out of a situation. The punk *** bully learned a valuable lesson.
However, it's not as if the big kid premeditated it. He tried to be reasonable and the punk was insistent upon showing off in front of his friends.
If you're throwing punches, you are intent on inflicting bodily harm. The big kid had enough and snapped. I'm sure he felt bad about it afterward. But he needed to get himself out of a situation. The punk *** bully learned a valuable lesson.
03-16-2011, 10:10 AM
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I agree , if someone is actually harming you then you have every right to hit them back. Though I still feel that retreating and calling the authorities is usually the best option. I posted on another forum wondering if we really know who the bully is in this video. We dont actually know any background from before the video started.
What an awesome idea using this in class!
What an awesome idea using this in class!
03-16-2011, 10:27 AM
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As a teacher, This concerns me from many perspectives. I pose the question to those of you who say "the little kid deserved the beat down" of what if that was your child who got slammed and then died???? Where was the honor in that??? What would be the repercusions of the big kid if he permanently impaired the little kid with that slam?? I showed this to all of my classes and posed the same questions. The responses varied from the gravely serious to the blantantly immature. I am conflicted like many of my students were. We agree that the little kid is a punk and needed to get punched back as long as no lasting injury was created, but on the other hand if violence is wrong in schools, it has to be wrong all the time. Either way, it was a great teaching tool for my Junior High Kids. Nothing like today's technology providing "hypothetical" ethical opportunities.
If the video is legit then the smaller kid got exactly what he deserved and should consider himself lucky he didn't get more. The big kid got out of there fast after defusing the situation; he didn't really want to hurt anyone. Punishing self defense is immoral so I see no source for conflict, but of course that doesn't mean some "educrat" won't make one up.
03-16-2011, 10:47 AM
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As a teacher, This concerns me from many perspectives. I pose the question to those of you who say "the little kid deserved the beat down" of what if that was your child who got slammed and then died???? Where was the honor in that??? What would be the repercusions of the big kid if he permanently impaired the little kid with that slam?? I showed this to all of my classes and posed the same questions. The responses varied from the gravely serious to the blantantly immature. I am conflicted like many of my students were. We agree that the little kid is a punk and needed to get punched back as long as no lasting injury was created, but on the other hand if violence is wrong in schools, it has to be wrong all the time. Either way, it was a great teaching tool for my Junior High Kids. Nothing like today's technology providing "hypothetical" ethical opportunities.
it's natural selection. Stupid shouldn't propagate. Part of what's wrong with the world today is that stupidity doesn't have the "cost" it once did, in terms of life.
Pick on someone, get killed, and your ******* genes don't pass on. And society is better, and nothing of value was lost.
03-16-2011, 11:22 AM
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Now, now... That's not nice - or very reasonable.
Middle-school kids are idiots. It seems to peak in about 8th grade. Some of them actually turn in to respectable - and respectful people.
Hopefully the kid was not badly injured. He definitely got a lesson he will never forget.
Middle-school kids are idiots. It seems to peak in about 8th grade. Some of them actually turn in to respectable - and respectful people.
Hopefully the kid was not badly injured. He definitely got a lesson he will never forget.
03-16-2011, 12:08 PM
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03-16-2011, 12:57 PM
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Under the new age systems operating here the outcomes are as follows:
-The retaliator goes off for anger management counselling.
-The Education department goes and hires consultants to do a report, due in 1 year. The 120 recomendations will be considered for another year and then none will be implemented.
-The bully will retain a lawyer and his parents will sue the education department for mental anguish and humiliation
-They will settle out of court for $200k
In other words, jackshit. What goes around comes around.
Rant over - and yes, I was a runt who suffered at the hands of aholes who roamed in packs. Teachers knew and did nothing.
-The retaliator goes off for anger management counselling.
-The Education department goes and hires consultants to do a report, due in 1 year. The 120 recomendations will be considered for another year and then none will be implemented.
-The bully will retain a lawyer and his parents will sue the education department for mental anguish and humiliation
-They will settle out of court for $200k
In other words, jackshit. What goes around comes around.
Rant over - and yes, I was a runt who suffered at the hands of aholes who roamed in packs. Teachers knew and did nothing.
03-16-2011, 01:16 PM
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I'm not a fighter. I'm not a pushover, either.
I was at a favorite swimming hole, with my brother and a friend, when I was in 10th grade. This kid started giving me ****, for no good reason. I fired back with some comment and he called me out. I looked at my brother and he had a half-grin on his face.
I stepped up. He didn't know I'm left-handed. I caught his right fist with my right hand and left-crossed him right on the chin. To my amazement, he just noodled and went to the ground. Game over.
It still feels good...
I was at a favorite swimming hole, with my brother and a friend, when I was in 10th grade. This kid started giving me ****, for no good reason. I fired back with some comment and he called me out. I looked at my brother and he had a half-grin on his face.
I stepped up. He didn't know I'm left-handed. I caught his right fist with my right hand and left-crossed him right on the chin. To my amazement, he just noodled and went to the ground. Game over.
It still feels good...
03-16-2011, 03:24 PM
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A little bit of background information.
I understand that this is only one side of it, but that bully got what was coming to him.
A little bit of background information.
I understand that this is only one side of it, but that bully got what was coming to him.
03-16-2011, 07:53 PM
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As a teacher, This concerns me from many perspectives. I pose the question to those of you who say "the little kid deserved the beat down" of what if that was your child who got slammed and then died???? Where was the honor in that??? What would be the repercusions of the big kid if he permanently impaired the little kid with that slam?? I showed this to all of my classes and posed the same questions. The responses varied from the gravely serious to the blantantly immature. I am conflicted like many of my students were. We agree that the little kid is a punk and needed to get punched back as long as no lasting injury was created, but on the other hand if violence is wrong in schools, it has to be wrong all the time. Either way, it was a great teaching tool for my Junior High Kids. Nothing like today's technology providing "hypothetical" ethical opportunities.
What crap !
What if it was your child been punched in the face so hard his head gets snapped back into the brick wall , should he just stand there & wait for more ? **** no !
All I saw was self defense.
I Worked as a security guard & when we did our firearms training, we were told if you need to shoot some one that is attacking you that you are not shooting them to kill them, you are shooting to stop the threat to you & others. Well the big kid stopped the threat to himself.That little kid fucked up big time & paid the consequence for it.
03-16-2011, 08:11 PM
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I love that video and the very surprising reviews I am hearing from alot of people.....
As for me, That little spit **** got what he deserved. Only a liberal asswipe would come up with some bullshit why the big kid is the bad guy in that situation...
As for me, That little spit **** got what he deserved. Only a liberal asswipe would come up with some bullshit why the big kid is the bad guy in that situation...
03-16-2011, 08:41 PM
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As a somewhat liberal asswipe, I think the skinny kid deserved exactly what he got.
He picked a fight on someone who had 50 or so pounds on him.
Natural selection at it's best.
Unfortunate that it had to happen to both of the kids, but better that it did when he's young enough to learn instead of pull a knife on the guy.
He picked a fight on someone who had 50 or so pounds on him.
Natural selection at it's best.
Unfortunate that it had to happen to both of the kids, but better that it did when he's young enough to learn instead of pull a knife on the guy.
03-18-2011, 07:46 AM
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As a parent, if my son were picking on someone like the runt did, and he got picked up and slammed, he would deserve it.
I TEACH my child not to bully, I TEACH him to defend himself.
The punk got what he was seeking, attention. He got a shot it, it felt good, then he proceeded to taunt and strike again.
I agree with HondaVTR, he used reasonable retaliatory force. In the Military, it's called Deadly Force. You used comparable force to retaliate, if you're being shot at, shoot back, until that threat is neutralized. The big kid had enough, he fought back, saw that the little one was down, and left. Nothing criminal there. Now if he'd jumped on top of the smaller kid like an MMA fighter and proceeded to grind his face into the asphalt, then he would have gone too far.
The little punk has been TAUGHT a lesson he will not soon forget. A lesson that his parents should have TAUGHT his at home.
Sorry, the school system is too worried about being sued. This ******* litigious society we live in now is bullshit. I remember the threat of being spanked in the Principal's office. Now what happens, you sit in time out.
I TEACH my child not to bully, I TEACH him to defend himself.
The punk got what he was seeking, attention. He got a shot it, it felt good, then he proceeded to taunt and strike again.
I agree with HondaVTR, he used reasonable retaliatory force. In the Military, it's called Deadly Force. You used comparable force to retaliate, if you're being shot at, shoot back, until that threat is neutralized. The big kid had enough, he fought back, saw that the little one was down, and left. Nothing criminal there. Now if he'd jumped on top of the smaller kid like an MMA fighter and proceeded to grind his face into the asphalt, then he would have gone too far.
The little punk has been TAUGHT a lesson he will not soon forget. A lesson that his parents should have TAUGHT his at home.
Sorry, the school system is too worried about being sued. This ******* litigious society we live in now is bullshit. I remember the threat of being spanked in the Principal's office. Now what happens, you sit in time out.
03-18-2011, 09:04 AM
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The kid got what he deserved. He is lucky he didn't get slammed head first.
If it wasn't for the Hall Monitor then the little punks bigger friend would have stepped in for some more bullying.
All the bullies should be expelled, camera guy and little punks bigger buddy.
C'mon these guys set it up with a camera to laugh at later. They have no place in society.
Note the total lack of teachers, when a 14yr old girl Hall Monitor is doing your job you are getting paid way too much and careing way too little.
If it wasn't for the Hall Monitor then the little punks bigger friend would have stepped in for some more bullying.
All the bullies should be expelled, camera guy and little punks bigger buddy.
C'mon these guys set it up with a camera to laugh at later. They have no place in society.
Note the total lack of teachers, when a 14yr old girl Hall Monitor is doing your job you are getting paid way too much and careing way too little.
03-18-2011, 09:11 AM
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Seriously?
If the video is legit then the smaller kid got exactly what he deserved and should consider himself lucky he didn't get more. The big kid got out of there fast after defusing the situation; he didn't really want to hurt anyone. Punishing self defense is immoral so I see no source for conflict, but of course that doesn't mean some "educrat" won't make one up.
If the video is legit then the smaller kid got exactly what he deserved and should consider himself lucky he didn't get more. The big kid got out of there fast after defusing the situation; he didn't really want to hurt anyone. Punishing self defense is immoral so I see no source for conflict, but of course that doesn't mean some "educrat" won't make one up.
03-18-2011, 01:04 PM
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As a teacher, This concerns me from many perspectives. I pose the question to those of you who say "the little kid deserved the beat down" of what if that was your child who got slammed and then died???? Where was the honor in that??? What would be the repercusions of the big kid if he permanently impaired the little kid with that slam?? I showed this to all of my classes and posed the same questions. The responses varied from the gravely serious to the blantantly immature. I am conflicted like many of my students were. We agree that the little kid is a punk and needed to get punched back as long as no lasting injury was created, but on the other hand if violence is wrong in schools, it has to be wrong all the time. Either way, it was a great teaching tool for my Junior High Kids. Nothing like today's technology providing "hypothetical" ethical opportunities.
While some of the responses are flawed in their exuberance, everyone here seems to have some merit in their opinion.
Forceful opposition to blatant attack should be OK, but our prisons are full of people who reacted disproportionately to an aggressive situation. Ethics, morals, humility, and self-responsibility would have served the scrawny bully well...if he had been raised that way.
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03-18-2011, 05:58 PM
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So let me ask you this, if the teacher is not in their classroom, they aren't doing their job, and if they are in the hallway, they aren't doing their job? If a man gets shot, and there wasn't a police officer present, were no police officers doing their job? Dont be an idiot, I still like this forum...
03-18-2011, 08:35 PM
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Thanks for raising and establishing the sober side of this debate.
While some of the responses are flawed in their exuberance, everyone here seems to have some merit in their opinion.
Forceful opposition to blatant attack should be OK, but our prisons are full of people who reacted disproportionately to an aggressive situation. Ethics, morals, humility, and self-responsibility would have served the scrawny bully well...if he had been raised that way.
While some of the responses are flawed in their exuberance, everyone here seems to have some merit in their opinion.
Forceful opposition to blatant attack should be OK, but our prisons are full of people who reacted disproportionately to an aggressive situation. Ethics, morals, humility, and self-responsibility would have served the scrawny bully well...if he had been raised that way.
I don't think the big guy should be punished at all, it's been brought up that he just walked away after, and if you watch him in the video, it looks like he's both telling the little guy to walk away and is stopping him from hitting him.
A beehive doesn't give you warning when you shoot a pellet gun at it when it swarms and puts people in the hospital. There is a certain amount of primal instinct that will never be removed from humans (we're not going to incorporate human origins here... but) and will continue to serve us as a primary defense against harm.
You can't (without extreme amounts of training) leave your hand on a hot stove when you lean up against it.
Its nature to react that way; I want to challenge for the bigger kid that it was just the most obvious thing for him to do to defend himself and his senses/body reacted before his brain had a chance to catch up and say, "hey, this could really hurt this kid".
Hopefully the little guy learned a lesson he will not forget, and hopefully the bigger guy will never have to use that sort of self defense again.
why can't we all just get along!
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