Erik S.

Here's my beliefs. I, as an citizen of the United States of America, choose not to believe that our government INENTIONALLY MURDERED thousands of its citizens.

I would surmise that those that believe that they, are not believers of any religion. For, how can you believe in any religion, since most are based on some faith in not knowing the hows or whys, yet you claim this is a conspiracy because you don't know how or why the buildings fell.

I believe that you are bored, and have nothing better to do with your time, than try to explain something they you don't have any knowledge of.

I believe that none of us can explain how metal should react one way, and it doesn't. In a conversation with a friend who is a machinist, he has had this happen. He has used a slug of stock to make a part, went fine. Used another slug and the metal reacted different. Was it heat? Was it cold? Was it time?

Was the it the underground Natural Gas tanks that were mentioned in this thread that exploded and cause the building to fall?

Was it the underground mall, mentioned in this thread by someone who worked there, that wasn't strong enough to support the buildings after impact?

Shall I continue to come up with more questions that you don't know the answer to, that you don't have the credentials to investigate, that you don't have the time to investigate, that you don't have the money to investigate.

YET, you will sit here and surmise on a lot of things that you know nothing about. You will take the advice of the so-called experts. You will be sheeple, because you must WANT to believe that YOUR goverment MURDERED it's citizens.

The "experts" are only that because you give them creedence. Not because they have proven their knowledge. A degree in the field does not make them an expert. Be wary of who you follow. Certainly, you wouldn't call the 21 yr old WYOTECH mechanic at your Honda Shop an "expert", he did complete his course of study. However, Roger Ditchfield, who has practical real world experience with the SH, he is an expert.

Wait, let me go find an "expert" who will surely say that J Shizzy Wizzy doesn't really exist. There are "experts" for everything.

Now stop being a TROLL J Shizzy Wizzy. This is not the first thread that you have started about 9/11 being a conspiracy. You are being the definition of a bulletin board TROLL. You are posting just to stir the pot and get people excited. You have no viable proof, merely speculation. Please go back to sitting in your dark corner of the basement, rocking back and forth, and trying to figure out if the WTC actually fell like claimed, or if your government MURDERED it's citizens.

I am sure that this is having a profound impact on your life.

smokinjoe73

Hey erik, did you watch the video I linked? Is it possible that there is some ground between the 2 extremes?

And oh yes your government HAS been responsible for way more deaths than that; have you heard of ww1 & 2?

For a government to accomplish its goals people must die. If it believes it's needed for a greater goal, where in history has human life been the deciding factor as to whether to go ahead with a plan?

Conspiracy theories dont assume everyone involved knew the goal. Many people work on war weapons all the time and never know where the technology is going. How much easier to do this kind of job where simple painters/ maintinence people could be used.

Dont worry I am sure you are safe in RI so no need for you to worry.

Oh yeah and not sure what all the caps lock troll stuff was about.

killer5280

People who choose NOT to believe that (criminal elements within) their government, any government, would intentionally kill thousands or even millions of its own citizens are making a very big mistake. Historically, governments always have been and always will be the greatest engines for mass murder ever devised. The US government is no exception and has routinely played God with people's lives. In fact, I would say that in many ways the US federal government is the biggest, most powerful, most well financed, most well armed criminal organization that has ever existed in the history of the planet.

Choosing not to "believe" that your government would kill its own citizens to achieve an agenda reminds me of the 5 year old who thinks you can't see him when he covers his eyes with his hands; it's not a matter of "belief", it's a matter of facts.

RWhisen

People die, including civilians during wars, that's the whole point isn't it? The idea is reduce the country you are warring with to rubble and remove its war making capabilities including the people pressed into service to produce said capabilities.

I love the conspiracy theorists, just proves that people will believe anything. Why is it so hard for people to understand that certain muslims will do anything to create terror and disrupt what they deem the infidel life? There are crazies out there everywhere, regardless of the flavor of their religion.

Killer, using quotes from H. L. Mencken seems quite strange considering that when his secret journals were published he was exposed as a racist and bigot. Strange bedfellows.

7moore7

Close, but it wasn't the U.S. government covering up 9/11:

Sneaky Butthole (Season 10, Episode 9) - Video Clips - South Park Studios

killer5280

That doesn't make his quotes any less apt. How do you know that I'm not a "secret" racist and bigot as well?
Like I said, ad hominems don't bother me much and that's all you got.

Why is it so hard for kool-aid drinkers to understand that certain criminal elements within our government will do anything to centralize power and wealth in their hands, including staging terrorist events and blaming them on Muslims or "right wing extremists" and then using such events as excuses to wage wars abroad based on lies and to justify incrementally trashing the Bill of Rights here in the US?

smokinjoe73

Hey whisen, you are right about the muslims, I dont disagree, they are a key element, the theory is that the US put its hand down in order to get hit to **** everyone off enuff to declare war and wage it on iraq (which it exactly did). How else could they get the genpop to go about their biz as a war went on?

j shizzy wizzy

hey Erik, I'm just asking questions about a topic i find interesting. I never claimed anything. chill out. I'd say your the troll by posting that response. thanks bud.

autoteach

How can someone say that those who believe a viewpoint opposite them are sheeple, as they believe another group of people without question? And to equate our govt with the "blind faith" of religion is awfully foolish. On one case you are asked to believe in a book written by people about a higher power, on the other hand you are asking people to believe in people. I am not sure which is more foolish.

Erik S.

Auto, you missed something. The equation of religion was not to the government. The equation religion was to the not knowing how or why the buildings fell. The belief in the conspiracy theory. They want hard cold facts on what happened. When not everything has a hard cold reason.

I stated my 1 belief, that I believe that our government did not MURDER our citizens.

WWI and WWII were not murder. They were nothing different than what I do every day, than what the guys in my office do every day. We volunteered to serve our nation, and when told to go to war, we do.

SmokinJoe, you have no idea about my safety. That morning, I was the Radioman on watch on a United States Naval vessel, deployed overseas. I received the initial message that an airplane had hit the WTC. I was ready to do my job. How safe was I?

J Shizzy Wizzy, starting multiple posts about the same controversial subject, that's what makes you a troll.

Did the conspiracy theorists here know that there were U.S. Marines had a garrison in each of the towers? They had a weapons cache. Hmm, could that be a cause for secondary explosions?

Anyway, this is getting way too personal. I will stand by the fact that I defend your right to your opinions and your freedom of speech. Have a fine day.

Wicky

Well I've been called a 'Shrill', accused of being paid to post on websites and being part of the sheeple for not believing in 911 woo and other twaddle.

Meanwhile there is more conspiracy right under your nose in why the steel of Honda VTR1000F Cam Chain Tensioners catastrophically fail when all other CCTS fitted to all the different marques don't. I personally blame Harley Davidson in conjunction with an IlluminatiZionist cabal for prechambering CCTS (I believe the inside man at Honda is the one responsible for fitting the front CCts) on the production lines and detonating them from afar using scalar waves emitted from HAARP so as to discredit Honda V-twin reliability. Ask yourself why the RC-51 had gear driven cams heh!

I leave you with this

Field Guide to the Conspiracy Theorist: Dark Minds
When does incredulity become paranoia? Radio personality and filmmaker Alex Jones believes an evil cabal of bankers rules the world.

and if you don't like what you find in that then feel free to wallow in this

nothing

If I were sending important email like that I would have pin-point grammer.

7moore7

grammar*

Old Yeller

you guys also need to keep in mind that 12/21/12 is coming soon.

killer5280

The word you're looking for is 'shill' not "shrill", although your links do provide some shrillness. Alex Jones certainly didn't invent the idea that a cabal of bankers rules the world, and the events of the past few years in which banks and their associated corporations get bailed out of mistakes they have made to the tune of trillions by taxpayers using "money" they (the bankers) printed and upon which we pay them interest don't really do much to dispel the "kooky" notion that maybe bankers really do run the world.
The Psychology Today article is just a typical smear job masquerading as pseudo highbrow analysis. Pretty sad really.

Wicky

I agree () he certainly wasn't the first - indeed you have David Icke and Credo Mutwa - with friends like that who needs enemies....

killer5280

More ad hominems and smear by association and misdirection. None of those guys "invented" the idea that bankers rule the world.
Maybe you should refer to this page so you don't continue to make the same mistakes in your "arguments."
Fallacies


And I sincerely believe, with you, that banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies; and that the principle of spending money to be paid by posterity, under the name of funding, is but swindling futurity on a large scale.
----Thomas Jefferson to John Taylor, May 28, 1816

Gentlemen! I too have been a close observer of the doings of the Bank of the United States. I have had men watching you for a long time, and am convinced that you have used the funds of the bank to speculate in the breadstuffs of the country. When you won, you divided the profits amongst you, and when you lost, you charged it to the bank. You tell me that if I take the deposits from the bank and annul its charter I shall ruin ten thousand families. That may be true, gentlemen, but that is your sin! Should I let you go on, you will ruin fifty thousand families, and that would be my sin! You are a den of vipers and thieves. I have determined to rout you out, and by the Eternal, (bringing his fist down on the table) I will rout you out!

• From the original minutes of the Philadelphia committee of citizens sent to meet with President Jackson, February 1834, according to Stan V. Henkels, Andrew Jackson and the Bank of the United States, 1928; online

Unfortunately, with the passage of the Federal Reserve Act in 1913 it became clear that the bankers Jackson routed out had become more entrenched than ever, and we are currently suffering the consequences of this entrenchment.

nekkid