HondaJim

Adding to my other post, I think the first thing I'd do is get that sprocket off, clean that puppy up, and run it on the sidestand in gear. Let it get hot. I'd want to make sure the shaft seal is good before I started building anything back together. The washer that is still in place looks like it's concave now, in the wrong direction. May just be the angle of the pic.

hawxter996

somebody jury rig that sprocket?

looks to be cause of problem.

FL02SupaHawk996

http://www.motobike.jp/product/749

this looks cool as a replacement...RC

E.Marquez

Or the one from Coerce Racing ebay link

Or MAX MC Direct

lazn

Is there enough meat behind where the bolt holes were to drill and tap deeper in and use longer bolts? (along with the old pieces to fill the gap)

11strings

Wow - guess I should have checked this sooner. You guys really know how to reply.
First things first:
I know it looks like the bolts are broken off, but the bolts are actually fine. The actual holes themselves broke off the side of the case. I've thought about trying to drill and tap just a little deeper, but I'm not sure how thick the walls of the case are at that point. At this point, I think it would be safer to try to weld the pieces back in rather than end up busting through the case.
As to the brand of sprockets/chain - couldn't tell you if I had to. Bought the bike used from a friend of mine last September. He kept good records on everything with that exception. He always had a Honda shop work the chain because he didn't want to be the crimper for the master link. As to the odd look of the washer(s) around the front sprocket - you're right. I'm not sure what the hell was going on there. There are two washers there instead of one, neither of which appears to be concaved. The sprocket is also a little loose, but I'm guessing it was from the incident or I would have seen it already. Needless to say, that will all be replaced per honda spec.
The seal seems to be fine. All the oil that you see was from me grabbing for clutch before I realized that I had no clutch anymore. At the time, I was just trying to get the bike shut down without dropping it.
Good eyes on the aftermarket replacements. Those look really clean. I may have to send the other one back...
Gonna go clean it up today and get it ready for the welder. I'll let you all know if I find something else that would be interresting.

As far as the culprit - I'm blaming a bad link in the chain. It literally broke - and it wasn't the master. Once I found the chain and got it cleaned up, it looks nearly brand new. Guess everything mechanical has a break point.

Let me know if you have any more observations of tips that could help out. Thanks a bunch, guys!

hawxter996

was it a 520 chain?

ff

the washer hanging down (obviously not in the right place; should be seated on shaft properly and flush against oem washer-probably hanging down from the chain explosion...) is there to shim the extra space between the oem washer and aftermarket sprocket after the bolt is tighten down otherwise there would be side to side play/ movement. The aftermarket sprocket is thinner than the oem one which is slightly wider and has a damper built in. while, i'm not saying this is true for all aftermarket sprockets, I had to do the same with a renthal ultra-light sprocket i used. If its not there then the side to side play would cause unnecessary wear on the splines and sprocket teeth.

HondaJim

May be true, but if that's the case someone used a washer with way too big of a hole. That thing shouldn't droop like that. The hole should be the same size as the shaft. Looks like it got loose enough to let the washer sag, which would put the sprocket at an angle, and then it's all over.

motojoe

Glad your OK. Chains coming off are never good thing.

11strings

The i/d on the "extra" washer matches the o/d on the output shaft, I've just got the bolt loose and it's hanging down on the bolt itself.

Chain SHOULD have been 520. I'm not bright enough to look and tell the difference. Know quite a bit about mechanics, but not tons about bikes to be honest. I'm learning quickly though, as you can plainly see. I also believe that the sprocket was good and tight prior to the chain break - Wear patters on the socket don't indicate any strange movement, and like I said earlier (I think), the chain was in like new condition. No unusual marks or unusual wear. I honestly believe it was just a mechanical weak spot. I can't explain it any other way - and hey, it could happen (just hope not everyday).

Thanks for the tip about the width of the stock sprocket vs. aftermarket. I probably wouldn't have looked at that too hard. I'll make sure I pay attention when I get them in.

hawxter996

most manufacturers dont suggest 520 chain use for 1,000cc twins.

could this have been the problem?

i have used them before,with frequent care and not all out use.

wheelies,burnouts much?

like i said i have and will use them,but with knowledge it could be over stressed.

nuhawk

If he was really on it, the chain was hot, under-lubed and defective from the start, this failure is possible. Like you suggest, multiple factors will work together.

I agree with your assessment that if you're built out with cams, heads, flywheel mods the 520 might not be my choice.

I just bought a couple 520 rear sprockets from a member here and my 530 is on a short-term timeline. It's starting to hook just slightly but it's showing the fun. My engine is stock so I'm ok with the switch. I'm 165lbs so anything I can do to get weight off the bike helps.

11strings

No wheelies unless accidental, and tires are something that I can avoid wearing out TOO quick to save that much money for other stuff. No burnouts.

I was wondering if that was possible. I'm sure that it was NOT under lubed. I always make sure to check that as there's lots of rain around here, followed by dust, or visa versa. Like I said, it wasn't worn out, but it also wasn't brand new. I'm betting on defect and a high-torque motor just conflicting after some time on the road. It's still a fairly stock motor, but you just can't deny the power in the Hawk to begin with...

RK1

There are different grades/tensile strength within each size classification ("520", "530" etc.). From what I've read the highest strength/quality 520 chains are fine for the VTR and even more powerful bikes, but many 520 chains aren't recommended for anything over 500cc.

j shizzy wizzy

So what's the "ideal" chain for our VTR's?

inderocker

530

FL02SupaHawk996

I went with the 520 last time around, but I made sure I bought the strongest 520 chain they had. The 520 setup actually took some vibs away and that was really nice

mboe794

I would really like to hear how the welding turns out if that ends up being the route you take. I recently found a couple of cracks in the rear of my case where the shock link bracket is bolted on to it. I'm pretty sure the integrity of the suspension is now compromised and it seems to be leaking oil. I haven't dug deep enough yet to determine if that's the true cause of the leak though.

Derbig Mooser

A 525 X-ring hi-strength chain should work fine. Don't forget to add two teeth to the standard 41 tooth rear sprocket. It's a hassle getting those two extra teeth welded on, and getting them all spaced evenly, but the result is worth it.

Did somebody but a smaller front sprocket on? Gotta watch that. Keep the front sprocket stock, it's already as small as it should be, and add teeth to the back.

But a lot of people are using all kinds of set-ups

Derbig Mooser

What about thread inserts put into the case, after welding back what's left of the original? The only stress on the sprocket cover is from the clutch cylinder push. Inserts might be a good way to go. I doubt Honda gave us enough to thread those bolts deeper.