is there any plus's or downsides to a K&N air filter?
02-24-2012, 04:35 AM
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The general concensus on the forum is they are all but untunable. They flow too much air for the carbs to be easily jetted for. Lots of conversations on the forum. If you have access to a great tuner & dyno, you might be able to tune your bike to run with it, but you are likely to lose some power over stock and get worse mileage.
02-24-2012, 07:53 AM
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The only benefit to me was I lived on a dirt road and didn't have to keep buying oem, as far as power depending on how you tune it there can be gains in top end at the expense of midrange power.
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02-24-2012, 07:59 AM
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02-24-2012, 09:08 AM
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Lol so the only benefits would b I.can wash it instead of buying a new one every time and I might get to stop at a gas station more often is pretty much where.I'm goin with this? Lol
02-24-2012, 09:24 AM
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02-24-2012, 09:41 AM
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Also, foam/cotton filters are known for filtering LESS dirt, so maybe not the best choice if you're worried about longetivity (especially on dusty roads).
02-24-2012, 09:53 AM
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I have read about the dust problems as well but have never experienced any troubles, this may be because I keep it oiled all the time and I don't over clean it as the trapped dirt actually helps filter the smaller particles. Not sure really but 20000 miles or so and the only carb issue I had was when I wasn't riding due to injury and they got gummed up, maybe I'm the exception to the rule?
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02-24-2012, 10:30 AM
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Everyone has an opinion, my guess is that the "general concensus" is from so many people just putting a K&N ail filter in without doing any tuning and their bike runs worse so it must be the air filters fault.
I have two VTR's running the K&N filter and they both run exceptionally well. I have never had a hiccup or flat spot or any noticeable problem with running them.
One previous owner told me he dyno tuned the carbs between adding each part to the motor, thereby getting a perfect tune, or as close to it as possible.
Both my bikes had the K&N in when I got them so I can't say if it made an improvement myself and I don't have an OEM filter to compare, but to say that the K&N is un-tunable or not good for X reason just makes me think not enough time was put into tuning by the people giving their opinion.
02-24-2012, 10:35 AM
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Hey I'm all for discussion!
I actually can't say I know the foam/cotton to filter fewer particles from first hand... or even that the difference would be big enough to make a difference (if there is one). I'm just relaying what I've read and seen in researching filters, and it seems that a lot of testing finds that paper filters work better in terms of filtration abilities throughout their life.
I actually can't say I know the foam/cotton to filter fewer particles from first hand... or even that the difference would be big enough to make a difference (if there is one). I'm just relaying what I've read and seen in researching filters, and it seems that a lot of testing finds that paper filters work better in terms of filtration abilities throughout their life.
02-24-2012, 10:53 AM
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What I'm saying is that the general consensus IMO is drawn off of fairly reliable tuners, not just shade tree mechanics.
02-24-2012, 12:55 PM
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Everyone has an opinion, my guess is that the "general concensus" is from so many people just putting a K&N ail filter in without doing any tuning and their bike runs worse so it must be the air filters fault.
I have two VTR's running the K&N filter and they both run exceptionally well. I have never had a hiccup or flat spot or any noticeable problem with running them.
One previous owner told me he dyno tuned the carbs between adding each part to the motor, thereby getting a perfect tune, or as close to it as possible.
Both my bikes had the K&N in when I got them so I can't say if it made an improvement myself and I don't have an OEM filter to compare, but to say that the K&N is un-tunable or not good for X reason just makes me think not enough time was put into tuning by the people giving their opinion.
I have two VTR's running the K&N filter and they both run exceptionally well. I have never had a hiccup or flat spot or any noticeable problem with running them.
One previous owner told me he dyno tuned the carbs between adding each part to the motor, thereby getting a perfect tune, or as close to it as possible.
Both my bikes had the K&N in when I got them so I can't say if it made an improvement myself and I don't have an OEM filter to compare, but to say that the K&N is un-tunable or not good for X reason just makes me think not enough time was put into tuning by the people giving their opinion.
I have had the K&N filter, I have had the OEM filter, and I'm currently running a BMC Street filter... All of them have been through several hours of tuning, by me personally... On a dyno, using wideband, and by trial and error, tuning fork and by wearing blue or green underwear, you name it...
The end result was that the only possible solution to get the K&N to perform reasonably, was to live with rather horrible "holes" where it dipped noticably... And other areas where it surged, being incredibly rich... But it did produce the highest possible HP, beating the others by a mile... The fact that you sacrifice driveability and fuel mileage for it, is probably not important?
So before you make those statements... READ... You make biased, unsubstantiated claims... Out of ignorance, but still... I have done the legwork, and I'm one of the people saying the K&N is impossible to tune to a point where you get better HP, better driveability and better mileage than OEM... You can get one, and possibly two, but not all three... It's simply not possible... And a lot more knowledgeable tuners than me have come to the same conclusion too... I'm fairly sure they spent the time and effort too, since they went racing with their bikes...
It's a benefit on a heavily modified engine, and it's washable... But it's not an improvement on a stock engine... The BMC street is a decent compromise... It's also washable, and it performs roughly the same as the OEM filter, with very small gains in the mid band, and even smaller in the top end... That holds true for both stock and modified engines...
So, please... Don't tell me I didn't spend the time...
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02-24-2012, 06:02 PM
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I had the K&N on my bike when purchased, I felt that it ran just fine. There were some of the symptoms described above but nothing major. Just for kicks(cuz I got my scrilla like that) I threw in a stock design Hi-Flo Filtro because I like the name, the bike runs so much smoother with no other changes made. I did that for a reason, so I would know for myself. Now just take my word for it or pay me and I'll make you a helluva deal on a good K&N.
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I had the K&N on my bike when purchased, I felt that it ran just fine. There were some of the symptoms described above but nothing major. Just for kicks(cuz I got my scrilla like that) I threw in a stock design Hi-Flo Filtro because I like the name, the bike runs so much smoother with no other changes made. I did that for a reason, so I would know for myself. Now just take my word for it or pay me and I'll make you a helluva deal on a good K&N.
02-24-2012, 09:00 PM
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I'm sorry if I offended anyone with my post, as it seems I have. I was not trying to insult anyones mechanical/tuning abilities, and I apologize if I did. I shouldn't have put a blanket statement towards the tuners who didn't like the K&N
The OP was asking if his newly bought K&N filter would give him better power/fuel mileage and was told they are basically untunable. Having two well running bikes with the K&N installed I wanted to give him my opinion on them, and apparently I'm not the only one who has had success.
Neither of my bikes have the driveability problems or horrible holes described, but like I did say myself, I haven't had a chance to compare them to an OEM filter, so it's possible I would notice something I can't now. I'd be glad to try one out for a comparison if someone wants to send a useable used filter to me. I'd love to get my bike on a dyno and have been trying to work out a time with my friend.
My one bike gets better fuel mileage than most, sometimes going 120-130+ miles before the low fuel light comes on. High comp pistons could be a factor in that and also why my bike runs so well with the K&N.
I think 7moore7 says it best...
The OP was asking if his newly bought K&N filter would give him better power/fuel mileage and was told they are basically untunable. Having two well running bikes with the K&N installed I wanted to give him my opinion on them, and apparently I'm not the only one who has had success.
Neither of my bikes have the driveability problems or horrible holes described, but like I did say myself, I haven't had a chance to compare them to an OEM filter, so it's possible I would notice something I can't now. I'd be glad to try one out for a comparison if someone wants to send a useable used filter to me. I'd love to get my bike on a dyno and have been trying to work out a time with my friend.
My one bike gets better fuel mileage than most, sometimes going 120-130+ miles before the low fuel light comes on. High comp pistons could be a factor in that and also why my bike runs so well with the K&N.
I think 7moore7 says it best...
03-25-2012, 09:47 AM
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I love the K&N filter! It's the reason I got my bike for $1500. The PO couldn't tune the thing at all with the KN and got so frustrated he gave it to me 1/2 price! I put a stock OEM filter on it and it runs great. He can't catch me in his new SV1000 (seriously pisses him off). Honda engineers are pretty darn good!
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