Superhawk and Wheelies
05-19-2010, 11:33 AM
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Superhawk and Wheelies
I'm buying a Superhawk tonight and I'm curious about the motor and riding wheelies. I've been know to hang some pretty long lofters and trust me there is no need for hating. I'm the type to keep the wheelies off the highway and on the backroads where they belong.
The reason why I'm asking is because I've been riding and racing SVs for years and the SV motor does not like long wheelies. I have spun connecting rod bearings on several motors from riding too long of wheelies. My theory is because when you're on the back wheel the oil pickup isn't pumping oil properly.
Has anyone experienced this with the Superhawk?
Thanks,
Nick
The reason why I'm asking is because I've been riding and racing SVs for years and the SV motor does not like long wheelies. I have spun connecting rod bearings on several motors from riding too long of wheelies. My theory is because when you're on the back wheel the oil pickup isn't pumping oil properly.
Has anyone experienced this with the Superhawk?
Thanks,
Nick
05-19-2010, 01:16 PM
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Physics say that when you are on the back wheel oil collects in the rear cylinder, not being pulled down the way it's supposed to becuase of the design of the channels... End result is bad...
05-19-2010, 01:44 PM
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Nick,
I'd guess that long wheelies are not good for any motorcycle motor unless they have been altered for oil pickup at the back. I popped the front end up at Roebling, but it went right back down.
I'd guess that long wheelies are not good for any motorcycle motor unless they have been altered for oil pickup at the back. I popped the front end up at Roebling, but it went right back down.
05-19-2010, 02:48 PM
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Haven't got the faintest idea who that is... I can ride a fair while on one wheel if I want too... Haven't had a problem... But like it's been said, there have been cases where it has happened... And by design it is possible problem... So keep it too a shorter time on the back wheel and all is fine... Push it and it might be expensive... Your choice...
05-19-2010, 06:33 PM
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The cops got this in crosshairs now. A wheelie in traffic - just one - can land you with numerous charges - some of them felony level. Remember the first wrist they put in the cuff is the right.
CHILL, chill, chilllllll !!!!!
All the bikinis are coming out now. Get yours. The rule of the road with the Superhawk is "not even one" beer is cool! Live free - live smart! Lawman doesn't need to draw the line for you. You do.
Just for interesting reading do a search for a thread called "mono through a girl's school zone"
Chill. Gentlemen, Chill. June is coming and for chicks that's like December but upside down. They get naked now and want to cuddle and then they get all bundled up and want to cuddle by Thanksgiving.
The human nesting behaviors start with the female making formative remarks at the end of summer racing season - doesn't make any difference what you race, "Now that you're done with that what's next?"
New pillows for the bed, I guess.
Play along and enjoy yourself. Make a practice of being the guy with the really big bike that stayed behind just because he could help.
CHILL, chill, chilllllll !!!!!
All the bikinis are coming out now. Get yours. The rule of the road with the Superhawk is "not even one" beer is cool! Live free - live smart! Lawman doesn't need to draw the line for you. You do.
Just for interesting reading do a search for a thread called "mono through a girl's school zone"
Chill. Gentlemen, Chill. June is coming and for chicks that's like December but upside down. They get naked now and want to cuddle and then they get all bundled up and want to cuddle by Thanksgiving.
The human nesting behaviors start with the female making formative remarks at the end of summer racing season - doesn't make any difference what you race, "Now that you're done with that what's next?"
New pillows for the bed, I guess.
Play along and enjoy yourself. Make a practice of being the guy with the really big bike that stayed behind just because he could help.
05-19-2010, 08:57 PM
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http://www.woai.com/mostpopular/stor...SryLWXTpw.cspx
I'll bet every cop in the country has heard about this already.
05-19-2010, 09:47 PM
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I got pulled over last night after stoping at an intersection, cop said my front forks compressed too far so I approached the intersection at too high of speed. He gave me a warning so I decided it best to just keep my mouth shut. Point being all a cop has to do is think your driving like a jackass, gotta be on best behavior or you wont be riding long.
btw: I cant do a wheelie, dont know why but I never tried that hard. I bet changing the sprockets would make it alot easier.
btw: I cant do a wheelie, dont know why but I never tried that hard. I bet changing the sprockets would make it alot easier.
05-19-2010, 10:02 PM
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Its easy to do a wheelie with the SH. I do power wheelies cause I dont like the idea of having to replace my clutch from doing clutch wheelies. Just put her in first. Get to about 5 grand or 30 mph and then crack the throttle hard. She should come right up. Just make sure you cover your rear brake if she gets to high for comfort. Also Do a search on wheelies or topics like that. Lots of good reading material and welcome to the forum.
Philip
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05-20-2010, 12:19 AM
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I got pulled over last night after stoping at an intersection, cop said my front forks compressed too far so I approached the intersection at too high of speed. He gave me a warning so I decided it best to just keep my mouth shut. Point being all a cop has to do is think your driving like a jackass, gotta be on best behavior or you wont be riding long.
btw: I cant do a wheelie, dont know why but I never tried that hard. I bet changing the sprockets would make it alot easier.
btw: I cant do a wheelie, dont know why but I never tried that hard. I bet changing the sprockets would make it alot easier.
As I had problems before...if you can roll on the throttle evenly but pretty far in first gear and the bike doesn't come up, somethings wrong. If you can whack the throttle in first at any point over 3500 rpm and it doesn't come up real hard, something's really wrong. You don't have to try, in fact, you should have to try to avoid it!
05-20-2010, 10:52 AM
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+1 on if your bike doesnt come up easily in first gear somethings wrong. Im 6' 250lb and all i have to do is crack open the throttle and it comes up just fine with stock gearing. I have 15 tooth front and 43 tooth rear sprocket and a speedo healer that should be here any day now I cant wait to see what it will do with the gearing changed like that
05-20-2010, 11:44 AM
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Theere is wheelies and then there is wheelies... I do consistantly carry the front in 2-3 when hard on the power... Ie front wheel 1-2" over the tarmac before it goes down and you shift...
Then there is the high balance point dumb-*** stuff... That has no place on a public road... I do it very rarely, but on the occasion I do get the urge...
Then there is the high balance point dumb-*** stuff... That has no place on a public road... I do it very rarely, but on the occasion I do get the urge...
05-20-2010, 06:12 PM
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I got caught in NH once doing it right by a state trooper the fine was $1000 and 2 points on my license. I took a defensive driving course and got those 2 points off and my insurance reduced. I'll just be more careful is all.
05-20-2010, 06:33 PM
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I couldn't / wouldn't do a full wheelie if I tried...I'd kick myself for dropping the bike and the wife would kick me for falling off. Sure, the front comes up if you bark off the line, like is does on my Buell - the ultimate wheelie monster! The VTR is way to much fun to f*** with the risky stuff.
You Tube is full of wannabees who like to wheelie! Not for me...
You Tube is full of wannabees who like to wheelie! Not for me...
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05-23-2010, 10:12 AM
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What? The cop knows what front springs you have and knows they are the correct size for your weight, so you must have been speeding? I don't back talk cops, but I would have said that I wasn't speeding, my front springs may be too soft, and I'll look into it. I would have asked him what the correct amount of spring travel I require to be law compliant.
It is not against the law to brake late, as long as it is not wreckless. That is just short of harrassment in my opinion.
Here are 5 law abiding reasons for "excessive fork travel"
- There was an oil patch across the lane so I had to brake late to avoid a possible crash.
- My suspension is stock, set up for a 150# rider from the factory.
- My compression wasn't excessive. Can a cop can really tell 70' away the difference between 40mm and 60mm of compression?
- The light turned yellow when I was 100' away going the full speed limit, you chose to brake in that time instead of run a yellow light turning red.
- You used engine braking to slow down and pulled the clutch in the last 20' and had to use additional front braking to stop at the end.
05-23-2010, 12:07 PM
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I know my brother loves to do 2 and 3 gear long wheelies down the hwy he hasn't had any problems yet and only problem I have had from doing wheelies was a leaking fork seal. I blame the fork seal more towards not knowing the condition prior to intalling the forks.
Oh and for California people wheelies are just like street racing you lose your bike to impound, get to spend a lovely night in jail and lose your license in a worst case situation. I had this explained to me by a cop several years back on my old superhawk.
Oh and for California people wheelies are just like street racing you lose your bike to impound, get to spend a lovely night in jail and lose your license in a worst case situation. I had this explained to me by a cop several years back on my old superhawk.
