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obimic 05-29-2014 10:52 PM

HISS ?
 
hi !

First, please excuse me for my poor english...


I've a 2002 vtr. with HISS system.

I've a big probleme with it:

the engine run up to 3500rpm ... but not after . It's not a mecanical problem, we are opened the engine for control timing camshaft.. and it's OK.

We think it's an electrical problem. we are control all wires connections, the two coil. sparks are news.

We this it's the CDI... or amplifier

But I wan't to know if it's obliged to change , with ce CDI, the lock set & keys.

On French VTR, the HISS is linked with ECU.. so if you try to start with an other ECU or try to bypass the ignition lock, the motorbike don't want to start....

Is the same with US VTR CDI/ECU ? or I can mount (only an US CDI an my engine start ?


Regards,

Michael

xeris 05-30-2014 05:27 AM

Welcome aboard.
I'm sure someone will chime in with a solution for you. While we're waiting it's my understanding that France has a mandated regulation that limits HP to 100. To me it seems very likely that the ECU is where this control resides. Replacing it with a unit from another market (maybe not Japan) would solve the issue. Since I don't know how the control unit works to limit power, this is just a guess. Strikes me as a very crude (and very unnecessary) way to accomplish the HP reduction.
What are the penalties for altering the bike?

obimic 05-30-2014 05:45 AM

Hi,

In France, the Law is clear: if we altering the bike , in accident, the insurance will don't work and we pay all damages even if we are not responsible about the accident, and more we risk a penalty fee of € 30,000 ($ 40,000) and two years in jail, even the confiscation of the vehicle that will go to the pound to be destroyed.

Modification is :
upgrade the power,
tires modifications like we can see in USA,
or changes parts who are not in original part at the end of factory.
.........


exemple: If we mount "for race only" like (M4 or Yoshimura USA) exhaust we can have a 3 penality of 400€ (135€ not original part + 135€ part for race + 135€ sound is over the maximum legal autorised (92db.) + need to replace origin part to the bike or car, and can be pounded + fee's pound )

xeris 05-30-2014 05:47 AM

For those with time to waste, here is a read.
http://www.fema-online.eu/uploads/do...FEMAanswer.pdf

comedo 05-30-2014 06:00 AM

VTR's sold in Canada and the United States do not have a HISS system. I believe Firestorms sold in the United Kingdom did. Maybe someone on VTR1000.org can help you. I hope that you find an answer.

obimic 05-30-2014 06:26 AM

Ok , so I can buy a ECU without all lock set and my Storm will start... ?

xeris 05-30-2014 06:58 AM


Originally Posted by obimic (Post 373632)
Hi,

In France, the Law is clear: if we altering the bike , in accident, the insurance will don't work and we pay all damages even if we are not responsible about the accident, and more we risk a penalty fee of € 30,000 ($ 40,000) and two years in jail, even the confiscation of the vehicle that will go to the pound to be destroyed.

Modification is :
upgrade the power,
tires modifications like we can see in USA,
or changes parts who are not in original part at the end of factory.
.........


exemple: If we mount "for race only" like (M4 or Yoshimura USA) exhaust we can have a 3 penality of 400€ (135€ not original part + 135€ part for race + 135€ sound is over the maximum legal autorised (92db.) + need to replace origin part to the bike or car, and can be pounded + fee's pound )

OUCH! $40K and 2 years! Do you get to keep your head?
At least you don't have the NSA looking at everything you do. Oh, wait, yeah you have that too.

obimic 05-30-2014 08:03 AM

if on the accident, one people will be injured at life or die, you pay for all your and his life and it's coster than the penality..

jerryh 05-30-2014 08:17 AM


Originally Posted by obimic (Post 373644)
if on the accident, one people will be injured at life or die, you pay for all your and his life and it's coster than the penality..

For changing a pipe or other modifications? Makes our guys in DC look awesome

smokinjoe73 05-30-2014 08:17 AM

Wow, this story hurts my feelings. Worked with a lot of French people here in NYC. They all like it here much better. Such a love for bikes (food and wine too).

Sorry, dont know about the hiss thing, but shocked you cant touch the bike.

Wicky 05-30-2014 10:40 AM

If you change ECU you'll need to reprogram the HISS system. There a DIY guide over on vtr1000.org

obimic 05-30-2014 11:00 AM

I see the guide. but we need one good key to make reprog .. ???

Wicky 05-30-2014 01:57 PM

Get your problem - As the guide is geared more for adding a key to the existing HISS system rather than swapping over the ECU for fault diagnosis.

Have you tried replacing coils? as a cheaper to begin with experiment. Otherwise you'll probably need a later ECU and matching key set from the same bike to test and hopefully get things running. Don't envy your for complication and potential cost - esp when later models 01-05 are if like UK - a bit rarer than early 97-01 models.

As suggested earlier by comedo join up on vtr1000.org and post your problem/conundrum up in the workshop section - as we're a bit closer and with a few members with experience with the HISS model, someone might be of some help.

obimic 05-30-2014 02:39 PM

thank wicky!

I post on SH because the US Parts are costless than sames parts sell in Europe..

I checks coils, sparkplugs are news...


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