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Chuey Jun 8, 2007 11:50 AM

Engine Breaking SuperHawk vs Ducati SS
 
Just had a flash back to the Ducati 750SS that was in the stable a few years ago. I recall the bike had close to zero engine breaking. The SuperHawk has a lot of engine breaking, is there a difference in flywheel inertia? What gives?

Thumper Jun 8, 2007 03:14 PM


Originally Posted by Chuey (Post 56199)
Just had a flash back to the Ducati 750SS that was in the stable a few years ago. I recall the bike had close to zero engine breaking. The SuperHawk has a lot of engine breaking, is there a difference in flywheel inertia? What gives?

Always wondered that myself, the SV650 (i know smaller engine) has nearly no engine brake either.

It is nearly impossible to coast on a SuperHawk without instant engine brake and deceleration of coasting speed in a quick manner.

Babelfish Jun 8, 2007 03:46 PM

I've tried a 916 and as far as I can remember it was similar. Looking at the TL/SV1000 the seem to behave the same way.

SS750 may have lower compression. Air cooled, low power engine, SV650 is a much smaller engine.

Hard Engine braking is something you get when you buy a large twin.

lazn Jun 8, 2007 04:03 PM

The superhawk has very little engine breaking if you replace the CCT's, that really is the main cause of dead engines..

But it will still have lots of engine braking, as will any high compression large displacement engine.

Thumper Jun 8, 2007 07:34 PM

[QUOTE=lazn;56226]The superhawk has very little engine breaking if you replace the CCT's, that really is the main cause of dead engines..

QUOTE]

Humm i had Honda replace the original CCT under warranty and then i recently replaced my Honda CCT with the APE CCT's and i noticed no difference in engine brake.

I don't see how the CCT would have anything at all to do with engine brake, its all piston compression and clutch as far as i can tell.

lazn Jun 8, 2007 08:15 PM


Originally Posted by Thumper (Post 56238)

Humm i had Honda replace the original CCT under warranty and then i recently replaced my Honda CCT with the APE CCT's and i noticed no difference in engine break.

I don't see how the CCT would have anything at all to do with engine break, its all piston compression and clutch as far as i can tell.

Break means to fail or get damaged.. Brake means to slow down. Thus engine breaking = buy new engine and engine brake = slow down with less throttle.

captainchaos Jun 8, 2007 08:25 PM


Originally Posted by lazn (Post 56240)
Break means to fail or get damaged.. Brake means to slow down. Thus engine breaking = buy new engine and engine brake = slow down with less throttle.

lol he has a point...but I think the thread was about engine BRAKING not breaking/broken engines, he just spelled it wrong...there was actually a pretty interesting article in I believe cycle world regarding engine BRAKING :) I'd have to look around to dig it up. It didn't talk about the superhawk but I think it did compare a TL and a bunch of other engines.

Lefin102 Jun 9, 2007 05:25 AM

I just bought a Ducati ST3 and it doesn't have anything like the SH in engine braking. I thought there was somthing wroung with it. I like the SH much better for this characteristic! However the Duck is a better sport tourer for longer distance.

Thumper Jun 9, 2007 07:38 AM


Originally Posted by lazn (Post 56240)
Break means to fail or get damaged.. Brake means to slow down. Thus engine breaking = buy new engine and engine brake = slow down with less throttle.

LAZN, for you i corrected my grammer errors, i guess i just picked up on the original posts spelling and ran with it.

My comments were 100% directed toward "Off-Throttle" Engine Brake.

Hawkrider Jun 16, 2007 08:48 PM

Raise your idle speed to 1500-2000 and you'll have less engine braking.

Chitownson Jun 16, 2007 09:44 PM

Engine Braking
 
I like the engine braking; that's part of the reason I ride the superhawk instead of some soul-less inline 4 appliance. I can ride twisty roads for miles without the frustrating shifting frenzy. I have friends who ride ducati 900 SS's and I can keep up with them in the curves until they turn it up past 9/10th. (I noticed once I adjsuted my TPS to the lower end of factory specs, the power delivery is much smoother and I can power into turns with more throttle and better control) In the straightaways, I'll take the v-twin's torque & horsepower anyday.


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