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"And more equal in terms of gender as well, despite a great many obstacles, both löegal and religious..."
I hate how the term "assault rifle" is thrown around. Just like I resent cagers calling "sport bikes" crotch rockets. In reality, for non-military applications, it is just a "style" of rifle (but the gun haters love the term, so don't fall into that trap). Better to differentiate with semi-auto versus full-auto. The almost universal adoption of a small caliber (i.e., .222 be-gate the NATO 5.56 mm) high-velocity round for military personal rifles was based on development of "varmit" rounds. In WW2 the Germans shortened their standard 7.92 full-power cartridge into the 7.92 Kurz (short) to save resources after they determined a full-power round was a waste because most fire fights occurred at less than 200 yards (which be gate the MP43 and Stg.44). On the other hand the
9 mm parabellum was reduced for legal reasons due to skirt Versailles Treaty restrictions down to the 9 mm Kurz (aka .380).
Anyway, all this back and forth is a waste of bandwidth, as our little group is just demonstrating there are no simple answers.
On the other hand, I'm surprised no one agreed they'd also love to have twin 50 cals in the nose of their VTR to blow offending cagers in front of them off the road. As an ex-aerospace engineer (Convair alumni) I realize the weight and recoil would make almost any gun impractical so mini "sidewinder" missiles targeted with a heads-up display could be feasible. If anyone is interested, we should start a gun sub-forum.
BTW, the title of my college "power systems" thesis was "The design and manufacture of delayed-blow-back roller-cam lock and gas-actuated rotating-lock breach assault rifles" (selective fire of course). LOL
I hate how the term "assault rifle" is thrown around. Just like I resent cagers calling "sport bikes" crotch rockets. In reality, for non-military applications, it is just a "style" of rifle (but the gun haters love the term, so don't fall into that trap). Better to differentiate with semi-auto versus full-auto. The almost universal adoption of a small caliber (i.e., .222 be-gate the NATO 5.56 mm) high-velocity round for military personal rifles was based on development of "varmit" rounds. In WW2 the Germans shortened their standard 7.92 full-power cartridge into the 7.92 Kurz (short) to save resources after they determined a full-power round was a waste because most fire fights occurred at less than 200 yards (which be gate the MP43 and Stg.44). On the other hand the
9 mm parabellum was reduced for legal reasons due to skirt Versailles Treaty restrictions down to the 9 mm Kurz (aka .380).
Anyway, all this back and forth is a waste of bandwidth, as our little group is just demonstrating there are no simple answers.
On the other hand, I'm surprised no one agreed they'd also love to have twin 50 cals in the nose of their VTR to blow offending cagers in front of them off the road. As an ex-aerospace engineer (Convair alumni) I realize the weight and recoil would make almost any gun impractical so mini "sidewinder" missiles targeted with a heads-up display could be feasible. If anyone is interested, we should start a gun sub-forum.
BTW, the title of my college "power systems" thesis was "The design and manufacture of delayed-blow-back roller-cam lock and gas-actuated rotating-lock breach assault rifles" (selective fire of course). LOL
Last edited by skokievtr; Jan 7, 2010 at 09:48 PM.
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From: NorthEast Connecticut
Just my 2cts..
The hidden adgenda behind registration is confiscation.
Are you considering backing gun control laws? Do you think that because you may not own a gun, the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment don't matter?
CONSIDER THIS...
In 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
That places total victims who lost their lives because of gun control at approximately 56 million in the last century. Since we should learn from the mistakes of history, the next time someone talks in favor of gun control, find out which group of citizens they wish to have exterminated.
It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed, a program costing the government more than $500 million dollars. The results Australia-wide; Homicides are up 3.2%, Assaults are up 8 %, and Armed robberies are up 44%.
In Australias state of Victoria, homicides with firearms are up 300%! Over the previous 25 years, figures show a steady decrease in armed robberies and Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain how no improvement in "safety" has been observed after such monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in "ridding society of guns."
It's time to state it plainly; Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives, protect children and property and, yes, gun-control laws only affect the law-abiding citizens.
The hidden adgenda behind registration is confiscation.
Are you considering backing gun control laws? Do you think that because you may not own a gun, the rights guaranteed by the Second Amendment don't matter?
CONSIDER THIS...
In 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control. From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies, homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who were unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
That places total victims who lost their lives because of gun control at approximately 56 million in the last century. Since we should learn from the mistakes of history, the next time someone talks in favor of gun control, find out which group of citizens they wish to have exterminated.
It has now been 12 months since gun owners in Australia were forced to surrender 640,381 personal firearms to be destroyed, a program costing the government more than $500 million dollars. The results Australia-wide; Homicides are up 3.2%, Assaults are up 8 %, and Armed robberies are up 44%.
In Australias state of Victoria, homicides with firearms are up 300%! Over the previous 25 years, figures show a steady decrease in armed robberies and Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain how no improvement in "safety" has been observed after such monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in "ridding society of guns."
It's time to state it plainly; Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives, protect children and property and, yes, gun-control laws only affect the law-abiding citizens.
Last edited by stebbdt; Jan 7, 2010 at 10:00 PM.
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Hawxter996 has posted an ad for a firearm in the Classifieds. IMO, this shouldn't be allowed. This is a forum for Superhawks. If I were in the market for a refrigerator or a couch, I would look elsewhere: If it's not a Superhawk or something related, I wouldn't want it and I wouldn't expect it in the Superhawkforum Classifieds. A firearm isn't a fridge and it isn't a couch, but the same applies.
I surf several forums in areas I chose, there are no religions or extreme belief systems involved. I follow forums with individuals like myself, with similar interests! That being said... I would MUCH rather purchase an item, "ANY ITEM" online from somebody that I believe to share the same beliefs, intrests, or simply common ground.
That said.... no limits to "for sale" ads as long as they're posted accordingly.
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ole dirty bastard
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In the Old West you didn't conceal the weapon... Or mostly not at least...
Like with most laws in the US, it's not the laws in itself that's the problem... It's the implemention... Actually considering the amount of laws you guys have, if they where all implemented to the same agree that laws here are, you'd probably need permission to go to the bathroom...
I have repeatedly said I have no problem with guns or people owning them, as long as there are reasonable laws in effect...
One of the areas where your laws are ridiculous is machine guns... Why any private citizen would need such a thing is absolutely ridiculous to even discuss... They don't need one, and should not have one... It's as simple as that... Same goes for the Uzi and others in that category...
A hunting weapon can be used to kill... An assault weapon cannot be used to hunt... It's sole purpose is to kill humans...
Like with most laws in the US, it's not the laws in itself that's the problem... It's the implemention... Actually considering the amount of laws you guys have, if they where all implemented to the same agree that laws here are, you'd probably need permission to go to the bathroom...
I have repeatedly said I have no problem with guns or people owning them, as long as there are reasonable laws in effect...
One of the areas where your laws are ridiculous is machine guns... Why any private citizen would need such a thing is absolutely ridiculous to even discuss... They don't need one, and should not have one... It's as simple as that... Same goes for the Uzi and others in that category...
A hunting weapon can be used to kill... An assault weapon cannot be used to hunt... It's sole purpose is to kill humans...
we dont have casual access to assault weapons.
what we mortals usually have access to are semi auto replicas.
and they are used for hunting deer and other animals everyday.
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Just because the bully is bigger and stronger than you, that means you never fight back right?
Armed resistance is a last resort, as to when we have reached that level of reality is up to debate. But it is a valid form of governmental change, it still happens today. Do we want to try everything else first? (voting, protesting etc) Yes of course. But does that mean we give up the tools for a last resort? no
My view is the we have a great bill of rights that are a standard world wide. These are the first 10 amendments to the constitution. The 2nd is the one that gets criticized all the time.. But it is the 2nd one that gives the other 9 teeth. Without the theoretical ability to defend it, the bill of rights, our personal rights, and the rights of others are just ink on paper and might as well be Rorschach Inkblots. (paper doesn't accomplish much)
Indeed
As for your fear of handguns. I say that they are no more or less valid tools than rifles. I have lived in countries where civilian firearm ownership was 100% illegal. Yet there were way more criminal shootings per capita than in the USA. (admittedly it was during a civil war in that country) And I have seen with my own eyes a (illegal - in that country) handgun save lives.
The tool is not the problem, even if the tool is small and powerful.
Armed resistance is a last resort, as to when we have reached that level of reality is up to debate. But it is a valid form of governmental change, it still happens today. Do we want to try everything else first? (voting, protesting etc) Yes of course. But does that mean we give up the tools for a last resort? no
My view is the we have a great bill of rights that are a standard world wide. These are the first 10 amendments to the constitution. The 2nd is the one that gets criticized all the time.. But it is the 2nd one that gives the other 9 teeth. Without the theoretical ability to defend it, the bill of rights, our personal rights, and the rights of others are just ink on paper and might as well be Rorschach Inkblots. (paper doesn't accomplish much)
Indeed
As for your fear of handguns. I say that they are no more or less valid tools than rifles. I have lived in countries where civilian firearm ownership was 100% illegal. Yet there were way more criminal shootings per capita than in the USA. (admittedly it was during a civil war in that country) And I have seen with my own eyes a (illegal - in that country) handgun save lives.
The tool is not the problem, even if the tool is small and powerful.
We can argue semantics and the intentions of the founding fathers forever... I'd be happy if any of the gun advocates would admit to a few simple facts... That that law was created by people who knew nothing about the future, and who intended it to balance a military an people armed equally... Then that is atleast grounds to discuss what weapons would be reasonable in a private citizens hands...
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Just because a gun is designed for shooting animals, doesn't stop anyone from shooting people with them, so why are they legal but not "assault weapons" ? I have a hunting rifle that can do far more damage at longer range than my AR15. but the the hunting rifle is somehow safer or better for the population? My legal machete, is way more menacing and dangerous than an illegal switchblade. but its allowed????? God I hate the lack of common sense in Liberals.
This is pointless to argue. arrrghhh!
This is pointless to argue. arrrghhh!
I haven't any problems with a gun being black, or with a plastic shell or whatever... It's you and your countrymen that are trying very hard to make this discussion about that... I'm not... Go back and read...
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I was at the time a bit irritated about some people here trying to put words in my mouth... Having a different opinion and discussing it is fine... I even enjoy that most the time, but the first step is to read what others post... I do... Some have consistantly failed to do so...
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Apologies, you took my irritation meant for others...
I was at the time a bit irritated about some people here trying to put words in my mouth... Having a different opinion and discussing it is fine... I even enjoy that most the time, but the first step is to read what others post... I do... Some have consistantly failed to do so...
I was at the time a bit irritated about some people here trying to put words in my mouth... Having a different opinion and discussing it is fine... I even enjoy that most the time, but the first step is to read what others post... I do... Some have consistantly failed to do so...
I for one happen to like handguns, mostly in the semi-auto version. We have a concealed carry law in this state where responsible gun owners are encouraged to carry their weapons to prevent the visitation of heinous crimes on the population by criminals. How effective is it? There have been numerous cases where criminals in finding their intended target was armed either fled or were shot on the spot. Do criminals use guns? Yes most do. Would an armed confrontation result in innocent persons being placed at risk? Certainly, however most criminals choose to engage in their chosen profession with as few witnesses as possible so that would ultimately pare down the number of bystanders being placed in danger.
Concealed carry permit holders are required to demonstrate their proficiency with said firearm but more importantly permit holders are taught situational awareness in the use of their handgun. Complacency, overtasking and distraction are factors that criminals use when assessing their victims. Much like wild animals, the one who is weakest is culled first and some people make themselves easy targets by not paying attention. Should they pay with their lives for this? No. I am sure most people would feel safer standing next to me in the bank line if they knew I was carrying than if they were standing near someone's feral child bent on relieving some poor soul of their social security check.
What is it that REALLY bothers you about handguns Tweety? Is it that they are designed for personal self defense? They are merely a tool. While I didn't like my hammer I certainly didn't wish to ban all of them when I struck my thumb with it......repeatedly (don't ask, I was roofing my shed).
ole dirty bastard
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"And more equal in terms of gender as well, despite a great many obstacles, both löegal and religious..."
I hate how the term "assault rifle" is thrown around. Just like I resent cagers calling "sport bikes" crotch rockets. In reality, for non-military applications, it is just a "style" of rifle (but the gun haters love the term, so don't fall into that trap). Better to differentiate with semi-auto versus full-auto. The almost universal adoption of a small caliber (i.e., .222 be-gate the NATO 5.56 mm) high-velocity round for military personal rifles was based on development of "varmit" rounds. In WW2 the Germans shortened their standard 7.92 full-power cartridge into the 7.92 Kurz (short) to save resources after they determined a full-power round was a waste because most fire fights occurred at less than 200 yards (which be gate the MP43 and Stg.44). On the other hand the
9 mm parabellum was reduced for legal reasons due to skirt Versailles Treaty restrictions down to the 9 mm Kurz (aka .380).
Anyway, all this back and forth is a waste of bandwidth, as our little group is just demonstrating there are no simple answers.
On the other hand, I'm surprised no one agreed they'd also love to have twin 50 cals in the nose of their VTR to blow offending cagers in front of them off the road. As an ex-aerospace engineer (Convair alumni) I realize the weight and recoil would make almost any gun impractical so mini "sidewinder" missiles targeted with a heads-up display could be feasible. If anyone is interested, we should start a gun sub-forum. BTW, the title of my college "power systems" thesis was "The design and manufacture of delayed-blow-back roller-cam lock and gas-actuated rotating-lock breach assault rifles" (selective fire of course). LOL
I hate how the term "assault rifle" is thrown around. Just like I resent cagers calling "sport bikes" crotch rockets. In reality, for non-military applications, it is just a "style" of rifle (but the gun haters love the term, so don't fall into that trap). Better to differentiate with semi-auto versus full-auto. The almost universal adoption of a small caliber (i.e., .222 be-gate the NATO 5.56 mm) high-velocity round for military personal rifles was based on development of "varmit" rounds. In WW2 the Germans shortened their standard 7.92 full-power cartridge into the 7.92 Kurz (short) to save resources after they determined a full-power round was a waste because most fire fights occurred at less than 200 yards (which be gate the MP43 and Stg.44). On the other hand the
9 mm parabellum was reduced for legal reasons due to skirt Versailles Treaty restrictions down to the 9 mm Kurz (aka .380).
Anyway, all this back and forth is a waste of bandwidth, as our little group is just demonstrating there are no simple answers.
On the other hand, I'm surprised no one agreed they'd also love to have twin 50 cals in the nose of their VTR to blow offending cagers in front of them off the road. As an ex-aerospace engineer (Convair alumni) I realize the weight and recoil would make almost any gun impractical so mini "sidewinder" missiles targeted with a heads-up display could be feasible. If anyone is interested, we should start a gun sub-forum.
BTW, the title of my college "power systems" thesis was "The design and manufacture of delayed-blow-back roller-cam lock and gas-actuated rotating-lock breach assault rifles" (selective fire of course). LOLa firearm subforum? .....mmmmmmm i like how you think!
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From: Honolulu, Hawaii USA
One of the areas where your laws are ridiculous is machine guns... Why any private citizen would need such a thing is absolutely ridiculous to even discuss... They don't need one, and should not have one... It's as simple as that... Same goes for the Uzi and others in that category...
Hi Tweety,
Hmmm...the same might be said for any vehicle that could exceed posted speed limits. Like, perhaps, a V-twin motorcycle.
Hi Tweety,
Hmmm...the same might be said for any vehicle that could exceed posted speed limits. Like, perhaps, a V-twin motorcycle.
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From: Richmond, Virginia
I like the discussion though. People in different places have differing assuptions and points of view. And because we are human, we tend to defend our way of doing things. But if we don't take it personally, and don't insult each other, we all might learn something.
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I have read everything you have posted (several times) and it is plain for me to see that your thoughts were evolving right up to the point where you finally admitted that you don't like handguns. Good thing we cleared that up. Now we can have meaningful discussion about what it is you don't like.
Originally Posted by RWhisen
I for one happen to like handguns, mostly in the semi-auto version. We have a concealed carry law in this state where responsible gun owners are encouraged to carry their weapons to prevent the visitation of heinous crimes on the population by criminals. How effective is it? There have been numerous cases where criminals in finding their intended target was armed either fled or were shot on the spot. Do criminals use guns? Yes most do. Would an armed confrontation result in innocent persons being placed at risk? Certainly, however most criminals choose to engage in their chosen profession with as few witnesses as possible so that would ultimately pare down the number of bystanders being placed in danger.
Concealed carry permit holders are required to demonstrate their proficiency with said firearm but more importantly permit holders are taught situational awareness in the use of their handgun. Complacency, overtasking and distraction are factors that criminals use when assessing their victims. Much like wild animals, the one who is weakest is culled first and some people make themselves easy targets by not paying attention. Should they pay with their lives for this? No. I am sure most people would feel safer standing next to me in the bank line if they knew I was carrying than if they were standing near someone's feral child bent on relieving some poor soul of their social security check.
What is it that REALLY bothers you about handguns Tweety? Is it that they are designed for personal self defense? They are merely a tool. While I didn't like my hammer I certainly didn't wish to ban all of them when I struck my thumb with it......repeatedly (don't ask, I was roofing my shed).
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Tweety, I appreciate your opinion on our country, and while it would be easy to get defensive; there are probably a few true statements in there. I would love to see our country bring all of its troops home and focus on our own economy. But its the darndest thing, if we try to keep our nose to ourselves, some small country will come out of the woodwork asking for our help.
Yes, we are involved in world affairs. While I think we are quite imperfect as a country and of course somewhat self-serving at times, we also realize that our size, power and world-view compel us to act as a barrier against more aggressive, powerful nations that would take over weaker countries if left un-checked by some of the stronger, more-altruistic nations.
That said, I would like to see the US be less involved in far-flung places like Afghanistan. I think we can find better, less costly ways to deal with terrorism than spending billions of $$$$$$$$$$$ fighting on foreign soil when a fraction of that spent at home would stop most, if not all terrorist activity here.
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I have no fear of handguns... I have a dislike of them in hands of the average joe...
We can argue semantics and the intentions of the founding fathers forever... I'd be happy if any of the gun advocates would admit to a few simple facts... That that law was created by people who knew nothing about the future, and who intended it to balance a military an people armed equally... Then that is atleast grounds to discuss what weapons would be reasonable in a private citizens hands...
We can argue semantics and the intentions of the founding fathers forever... I'd be happy if any of the gun advocates would admit to a few simple facts... That that law was created by people who knew nothing about the future, and who intended it to balance a military an people armed equally... Then that is atleast grounds to discuss what weapons would be reasonable in a private citizens hands...
As to what is reasonable? That question really is: How much do you trust your neighbor? I would be fine with him owning a cannon as long as he let me try it out now and again. (in fact a friend owns a functional replica cannon, it's fun! Those need permits too btw)
I trust him not to use it on my house. I trust most people to not use firearms against me. And if someone ever tries, I hope one of my neighbors is carrying a hand gun to back me up in stopping the person trying!
Here in AZ I used to see hand guns carried by citizens daily. (for open carry no permit needed here, still hoops to jump through to buy one though) But lately it isn't as common, a combination of a huge number of people moving here from others states over the last few decades, and the availability of concealed carry permits means you don't see them as often. (probably still a lot out there and that is a good thing in my mind.)
Facts: Cops shoot more innocent bystanders than concealed carry citizens do every year. Concealed carry handguns in the hands of citizens are used to stop crimes every day.
Yes the reason cops shoot more innocents is that their job gets them in situations where they have to fire their weapon more often than the average citizen. But the incidents of legal handguns being used illegally is actually quite low (stolen or illegally obtained ones is a different story) and the incidents of citizens shooting bystanders is very low. Hand guns in the hands of responsible citizens are a good thing.
And the law of the land is innocent till proven guilty, so that is why someone with no criminal background can fairly easily buy one.
Last edited by lazn; Jan 8, 2010 at 09:16 AM.
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It has been an entertaining discussion with several good points having been made including you Tweety. I should be passing by your neighborhood in few days and perhaps maybe even a layover.
I am off to deliver an airplane to Afghanistan and make some extra cash to sink into my Hawk. I say sink since I doubt I will ever fully recover any investments into it. Maybe I can make enough to get that Ducati 1098?
Best wishes to all and I hope you have a great New Year!
I am off to deliver an airplane to Afghanistan and make some extra cash to sink into my Hawk. I say sink since I doubt I will ever fully recover any investments into it. Maybe I can make enough to get that Ducati 1098?
Best wishes to all and I hope you have a great New Year!
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It has been an entertaining discussion with several good points having been made including you Tweety. I should be passing by your neighborhood in few days and perhaps maybe even a layover.
I am off to deliver an airplane to Afghanistan and make some extra cash to sink into my Hawk. I say sink since I doubt I will ever fully recover any investments into it. Maybe I can make enough to get that Ducati 1098?
Best wishes to all and I hope you have a great New Year!
I am off to deliver an airplane to Afghanistan and make some extra cash to sink into my Hawk. I say sink since I doubt I will ever fully recover any investments into it. Maybe I can make enough to get that Ducati 1098?
Best wishes to all and I hope you have a great New Year!
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WTF. From a gun post protestation to a political philosophical rant. Oh well, I'll subscribe.
I must say that Tweety speaks the truth, it's just difficult for many in this so-called "free country" to hear it from someone from outside.
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...0&goto=newpost
Guns: I drove long haul for 20 years and always went to sleep with a loaded 32 in my right hand. My truck was broken into five times, 3 of them when i was sleeping in it. I still have a bullet in my left leg from another incident in Laurel, MS.
i always considered myself responsible with a weapon, but realized that i may have overestimated that ability when i fired 3 shots at a pesky queer in downtown LA at 3am. It's amazing what a little coke a lot of booze will do to your judgement.
This country is going to hell fast. It's like De'Toqueville wrote in his book, Democracy in America, "As long a America is good, America will be great; when America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great". Perceptive observer as is his admonition, unfortunately for those of us who have to live here.
I must say that Tweety speaks the truth, it's just difficult for many in this so-called "free country" to hear it from someone from outside.
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...0&goto=newpost
Guns: I drove long haul for 20 years and always went to sleep with a loaded 32 in my right hand. My truck was broken into five times, 3 of them when i was sleeping in it. I still have a bullet in my left leg from another incident in Laurel, MS.
i always considered myself responsible with a weapon, but realized that i may have overestimated that ability when i fired 3 shots at a pesky queer in downtown LA at 3am. It's amazing what a little coke a lot of booze will do to your judgement.
This country is going to hell fast. It's like De'Toqueville wrote in his book, Democracy in America, "As long a America is good, America will be great; when America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great". Perceptive observer as is his admonition, unfortunately for those of us who have to live here.
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It has been an entertaining discussion with several good points having been made including you Tweety. I should be passing by your neighborhood in few days and perhaps maybe even a layover.
I am off to deliver an airplane to Afghanistan and make some extra cash to sink into my Hawk. I say sink since I doubt I will ever fully recover any investments into it. Maybe I can make enough to get that Ducati 1098?
Best wishes to all and I hope you have a great New Year!
I am off to deliver an airplane to Afghanistan and make some extra cash to sink into my Hawk. I say sink since I doubt I will ever fully recover any investments into it. Maybe I can make enough to get that Ducati 1098?
Best wishes to all and I hope you have a great New Year!
I'm always up for a beer and chat... Or perhaps skip the beer if you are flying...
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WTF. From a gun post protestation to a political philosophical rant. Oh well, I'll subscribe.
I must say that Tweety speaks the truth, it's just difficult for many in this so-called "free country" to hear it from someone from outside.
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...0&goto=newpost
Guns: I drove long haul for 20 years and always went to sleep with a loaded 32 in my right hand. My truck was broken into five times, 3 of them when i was sleeping in it. I still have a bullet in my left leg from another incident in Laurel, MS.
i always considered myself responsible with a weapon, but realized that i may have overestimated that ability when i fired 3 shots at a pesky queer in downtown LA at 3am. It's amazing what a little coke a lot of booze will do to your judgement.
This country is going to hell fast. It's like De'Toqueville wrote in his book, Democracy in America, "As long a America is good, America will be great; when America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great". Perceptive observer as is his admonition, unfortunately for those of us who have to live here.
I must say that Tweety speaks the truth, it's just difficult for many in this so-called "free country" to hear it from someone from outside.
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Guns: I drove long haul for 20 years and always went to sleep with a loaded 32 in my right hand. My truck was broken into five times, 3 of them when i was sleeping in it. I still have a bullet in my left leg from another incident in Laurel, MS.
i always considered myself responsible with a weapon, but realized that i may have overestimated that ability when i fired 3 shots at a pesky queer in downtown LA at 3am. It's amazing what a little coke a lot of booze will do to your judgement.
This country is going to hell fast. It's like De'Toqueville wrote in his book, Democracy in America, "As long a America is good, America will be great; when America ceases to be good, America will cease to be great". Perceptive observer as is his admonition, unfortunately for those of us who have to live here.
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I live in upstate NY. I have a pistol permit that required NO training whatsoever. Your statement above may be true in your state, but it is NOT in NY.
http://www.nysrpa.org/nygunlaws.htm
My first license was restricted to "hunting and targetshooting". In NY the "issueing official", typically a judge, may restrict the license. Or for that matter they may choose not to issue it at all, at which point you must go to court to over rule them.
My current license has no restriction. I did not ask for the restriction to be removed, I simply moved from one county to another. I submitted my original license and a new one was sent to me without restrictions. Why? who the hel knows.
My point?
While I am all for hand gun ownership, the multiple current systems are confusing, capriciously discriminatory and irresponsible. 20 years ago when I received my first permit I asked the clerk if there were "rules" or where I could go to be trained. I was told I could go to a local gun club to ask and get training. My best friend was a NY state trooper so I had access to information and training, but not through the licensing process.
Take a look at what constitutes an Assault rifle in NY gun law. Rediculous. It is unfortunate that the two sides are so polarized that sane and responsible laws (Not additiona laws, replacement laws) cant be worked out.
As food for thought - Why do I have to own (or about to own) a handgun to get a license? I can have an automobile license without owning an automobile. Why not have some minimal amount of training to get this license. Frankly, why not have it like a car altogether? License the individual, register the hand gun.
Thoughts?
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In Australias state of Victoria, homicides with firearms are up 300%! Over the previous 25 years, figures show a steady decrease in armed robberies and Australian politicians are on the spot and at a loss to explain how no improvement in "safety" has been observed after such monumental effort and expense was successfully expended in "ridding society of guns."
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I'd be careful how you quote it. The analysis was a narrow view of trends since the change in policy. there are opposing interpretations of the impact of the changes - just click below for a couple. I doubt either interpretation is right - more just advocates on either side using flawed data to their benefit. there are so many factors involved in gun related deaths over years including population, economy, drugs etc etc.
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...685752421.html
http://www.physorg.com/news85298565.html
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Thanks Tweety that would be great however it appears that since the winds are favorable we may not do the northern route and instead swing through the Azores and Spain. Maybe next time.
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That was a very entertaining thread.
Different countries, different manners, someone who say he has a XXY model gun at home in a casual conversation is most likely to be labeled a freak over here.
I'll could change my mind if I lived in the US for a few years, who knows.
I worked in Fort st James BC for two 4 months seasons spacing trees basically running with a chain saw, for the small tree a machete hit was the trick, so I was walking around buying coffee in the morning with my machete on my hip, it was normal, when I came back it was Halloween and I made my costume with an apron, red paint and my machete, the only thing I remember from that night was the people freaking out on my machete even tough I had no intentions of cutting anyone in two, it was not socially acceptable here, I had to store it in the trunk of my car. Now that my surroundings caught back on me and I would not even think of doing such a thing.
This forum bring close together people living in very different realities.
Like here in Quebec we grind our old cars to make new ones, in texas they blow it up
There is such a lack of guns here that thieves are swinging Canadian 2X4's to the cashiers and cashiers swing back canadian bacon packs that are so lean that it hurts.
We somehow prefer it like this...here !
Different countries, different manners, someone who say he has a XXY model gun at home in a casual conversation is most likely to be labeled a freak over here.
I'll could change my mind if I lived in the US for a few years, who knows.
I worked in Fort st James BC for two 4 months seasons spacing trees basically running with a chain saw, for the small tree a machete hit was the trick, so I was walking around buying coffee in the morning with my machete on my hip, it was normal, when I came back it was Halloween and I made my costume with an apron, red paint and my machete, the only thing I remember from that night was the people freaking out on my machete even tough I had no intentions of cutting anyone in two, it was not socially acceptable here, I had to store it in the trunk of my car. Now that my surroundings caught back on me and I would not even think of doing such a thing.
This forum bring close together people living in very different realities.
Like here in Quebec we grind our old cars to make new ones, in texas they blow it up
There is such a lack of guns here that thieves are swinging Canadian 2X4's to the cashiers and cashiers swing back canadian bacon packs that are so lean that it hurts.
We somehow prefer it like this...here !
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This forum bring close together people living in very different realities.
Like here in Quebec we grind our old cars to make new ones, in texas they blow it up
There is such a lack of guns here that thieves are swinging Canadian 2X4's to the cashiers and cashiers swing back canadian bacon packs that are so lean that it hurts.
We somehow prefer it like this...here !
Like here in Quebec we grind our old cars to make new ones, in texas they blow it up
There is such a lack of guns here that thieves are swinging Canadian 2X4's to the cashiers and cashiers swing back canadian bacon packs that are so lean that it hurts.
We somehow prefer it like this...here !
Sleeping with a gun in hand was not my preference, I'm not even interested, but it saved my *** several times and allowed me to get some much needed rest in dangerous areas.
yeah, different world up there in many ways in terms of values. My trucking experiences with people from Quebec/Canada have reminded me that there are people who think and feel and act more like me. One salient example of this was the handling of a paperwork glitch that caused me to spend 24 hrs. at the border crossing in freezing weather. The Quebec customer rep not only admitted responsibility for the problem, he apologized for the delay that caused me to lose my return load, and asked what it would take to make it right. I said $500 to get me home never expecting anything. He promptly wrote me a check, drove me to the bank to exchange for American $ and bought me lunch. Never, never, never in 20 years of trucking in the US has anything like this occurred. In fact the opposite was the norm: blame someone else, screw you out of your time and money, and typically
treat you like a second class citizen, or at best a shallow apology.
I know there are ******** and good people in every country, but generally the people I've experienced from Europe, and Canada are more empathic "do unto others" rather than "take care of me and screw you" types we're used to in the US.
Many never get to experience these differences in people and their values because they're mostly confined to the US and consequently think that people in other countries are the same as here. It does my heart good to know that this isn't true.
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