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How many people are there in Sweden, Norway, and Finland combined? I am guessing a very small fraction of those in the US. It would be much easier to have a better "system" in place if we had fewer people. The thing that many outsiders don't understand is that our fore-fathers wanted the people of the US to be able to defend themselves from Government Militias.
Gun crimes are the accepted cost of freedom to own guns. The debate can go many directions and everyone has their theories on what the best way is. To each his own.
Tweety, I appreciate your opinion on our country, and while it would be easy to get defensive; there are probably a few true statements in there. I would love to see our country bring all of its troops home and focus on our own economy. But its the darndest thing, if we try to keep our nose to ourselves, some small country will come out of the woodwork asking for our help. And as bad as our country may seem to you, there are more people moving in everyday than there are moving out.
And don't forget, most (if not all) of your hunting rifles were originally developed for combat purposes.
Gun crimes are the accepted cost of freedom to own guns. The debate can go many directions and everyone has their theories on what the best way is. To each his own.
Tweety, I appreciate your opinion on our country, and while it would be easy to get defensive; there are probably a few true statements in there. I would love to see our country bring all of its troops home and focus on our own economy. But its the darndest thing, if we try to keep our nose to ourselves, some small country will come out of the woodwork asking for our help. And as bad as our country may seem to you, there are more people moving in everyday than there are moving out.
And don't forget, most (if not all) of your hunting rifles were originally developed for combat purposes.
Don't worry... For the most part I actually like the US...
Which is more than can be said for most countries... I just get a bit loud mouthed when people go waving flags...Yeah, I know they are excellent for killing stuff... Human or otherwise... They are however a bit harder to conceal than a handgun... Which is the main difference in how guns are percieved in countires outside the US...
Well... To actually get a system in place it first helps if you can get the worst loudmouths to go sit in the corner, so the more sane people can work out a system that works... Unfortunately I don't see that happening too soon...
Last edited by Tweety; Jan 7, 2010 at 01:13 PM.
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Tweety, you know I'm not trying to spin you up further.
I would venture to say that more US Citizens paid to the price of their lives to protect the freedoms of those in other countries, more so than to protect our homeland, since the majority of the war was fought in Europe. They helped protect a morale freedom.
As for what have I sacrificed in the name of "Freedom"? My time with my family and friends, some of my personal liberties. Conversely, I believe I would have made the choice to serve in my countries Navy, regardless of what country I was from. More than one of us on here has sacrificed something in the name of "Freedom" or Freedom for others by serving in our Armed Forces. It's a source of pride for me, that's why I felt the need to answer.
I would venture to say that more US Citizens paid to the price of their lives to protect the freedoms of those in other countries, more so than to protect our homeland, since the majority of the war was fought in Europe. They helped protect a morale freedom.
As for what have I sacrificed in the name of "Freedom"? My time with my family and friends, some of my personal liberties. Conversely, I believe I would have made the choice to serve in my countries Navy, regardless of what country I was from. More than one of us on here has sacrificed something in the name of "Freedom" or Freedom for others by serving in our Armed Forces. It's a source of pride for me, that's why I felt the need to answer.
BTW I know, I have served in the Swedish army... Peacekeeping mission for the UN... I saw action and saw both friends and foes die, some of them probably by my hand... That's about all I want to tell...
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Level headed?!!? YOU TAKE THAT BACK! No reason to start calling names...
You and I are really not far apart - and you are correct about the licensing laws, except it is worse than you can imagine. Laws are not only different from state to state, the administration of those laws is different from county to county. I have a pistol permit that I originally obtained in Schenectady county, NY. This permit required NO training. To get a hunting license at least requires a short safety course.
The other side of this was that it took over 6 months to get.
So basically the gun control groups add time to maker it difficult and the gun lobby eliminate having to take a course or a mandate training. What you end up with is rediculous.
But, Tweety, they are our rediculous laws and we get a bit defensive when others point it out to us
You and I are really not far apart - and you are correct about the licensing laws, except it is worse than you can imagine. Laws are not only different from state to state, the administration of those laws is different from county to county. I have a pistol permit that I originally obtained in Schenectady county, NY. This permit required NO training. To get a hunting license at least requires a short safety course.
The other side of this was that it took over 6 months to get.
So basically the gun control groups add time to maker it difficult and the gun lobby eliminate having to take a course or a mandate training. What you end up with is rediculous.
But, Tweety, they are our rediculous laws and we get a bit defensive when others point it out to us
Like i said... I have no problems with people owning guns... As long as I know they are at least more likely to shoot at the bad guys than me...
A gun that can be easily concealed should to mind be VERY restricted in who can own one... And C&C permits in Sweden exist... But they are very, very few... Even in percentage to the population vs the US...
Yeah... I know the the defensive part... I feel quite a few parts of the Swedish governement is more than ridiculous at times... I'd still defend it... But I also reserve the right to point out faults...
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Keep it... Like I said above... Follow the laws (however ridiculous) and I have no objections what so ever... And it seems the same apply to most of us here...
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Hell no we wont go!
Guns
I think guns and motorcycles go well together, along with airplanes.
How many of you Merikans have dreamed of having a 50cal sticking out of each of your VTR’s fake intakes with the horn button as the trigger?
Guns are cool machines; actually automatics are a power system unto themselves. Feed the breech however and as long as you hold the trigger several different operations occur to fire with a fuel (propellant) a projectile towards whatever target you aim at. And how they developed over the last 1,000+ years is fascinating. The engineering and production technology used to manufacture motorcycle and planes would never have been developed if it were not for guns. Sweden had the Carl Gustov (a later copy of the English Sten) but Denmark had the neato Madsen (2nd generation mass-produced submachine gun design) and Finland had the Suomi sub and killed a lot of Reds with’em.
If William Tel was alive today, don’t you think he’d prefer to shoot an apple off his son’s head with a 7mm Remington magnum from 1,000 yards? Could he even own a cross bow in D’faderland today, let alone a cool piece of German military technology?
Guns were originally developed as the next step in hunting tech. It didn’t take long to apply guns to warfare, as anything that killed was obviously used for that too.
How did Tweety get “broads” into the thread? Hee hee
Yeh, we have too many guns and I’m glad to see that Tweety agrees than guns don’t kill people, people do. The whole gun control thing is basically the same as drunk drivers. They do a better job with that in Scandinavia too. It’s a lot easier to do it in a small country, as someone said. America’s problem with excess also includes guns. But we love our guns as much as our doughnuts.
We also have a bigger prison population than some countries have people, and most European capitals have “citizens”. We are equal opportunity bullies though (being good Merikans), we treat our own Joe citizens as bad as any other country's. Nobody’s perfect.
Politically, we’ve been at end of the Merikan Empire for a while now but we never compared to Rome anyway. But we still carry the biggest stick and the “western” world needs us even though they might not know it. We are at the beginning of another 100 years war kiddies, and its us against them; don’t kid yourself. There’s no going back with an Islamist extremist. The big hot potato “security” wise is is “profiling” a necessary evil. I personally don’t get it. If a certain “type” of person is trying to kill me, I keep an eye out for the type. The Israelis accept it as a given, and they figure if you can’t reason or make amends with somebody, you ignore them. Best way to ignore them is to separate yourself from them so they can’t bother you and you don’t have to bother with them. Easiest way is to build a big wall, which the Israeli engineers are good at. They at least learned something from the Romans.
And finally, Tweety, gimme a break! “No american in this lifetime has "Pay'd the price" for the freedom ecpect (typo) the vets from WW2...” What about Martin L King, Jr and his ilk? I know what you meant but gimme a break. People who love their country sometimes are not smart enough to question it or have the self-conviction or luxury to say “Hell no we won’t go!”
I think guns and motorcycles go well together, along with airplanes.
How many of you Merikans have dreamed of having a 50cal sticking out of each of your VTR’s fake intakes with the horn button as the trigger?
Guns are cool machines; actually automatics are a power system unto themselves. Feed the breech however and as long as you hold the trigger several different operations occur to fire with a fuel (propellant) a projectile towards whatever target you aim at. And how they developed over the last 1,000+ years is fascinating. The engineering and production technology used to manufacture motorcycle and planes would never have been developed if it were not for guns. Sweden had the Carl Gustov (a later copy of the English Sten) but Denmark had the neato Madsen (2nd generation mass-produced submachine gun design) and Finland had the Suomi sub and killed a lot of Reds with’em.
If William Tel was alive today, don’t you think he’d prefer to shoot an apple off his son’s head with a 7mm Remington magnum from 1,000 yards? Could he even own a cross bow in D’faderland today, let alone a cool piece of German military technology?
Guns were originally developed as the next step in hunting tech. It didn’t take long to apply guns to warfare, as anything that killed was obviously used for that too.
How did Tweety get “broads” into the thread? Hee hee
Yeh, we have too many guns and I’m glad to see that Tweety agrees than guns don’t kill people, people do. The whole gun control thing is basically the same as drunk drivers. They do a better job with that in Scandinavia too. It’s a lot easier to do it in a small country, as someone said. America’s problem with excess also includes guns. But we love our guns as much as our doughnuts.
We also have a bigger prison population than some countries have people, and most European capitals have “citizens”. We are equal opportunity bullies though (being good Merikans), we treat our own Joe citizens as bad as any other country's. Nobody’s perfect.
Politically, we’ve been at end of the Merikan Empire for a while now but we never compared to Rome anyway. But we still carry the biggest stick and the “western” world needs us even though they might not know it. We are at the beginning of another 100 years war kiddies, and its us against them; don’t kid yourself. There’s no going back with an Islamist extremist. The big hot potato “security” wise is is “profiling” a necessary evil. I personally don’t get it. If a certain “type” of person is trying to kill me, I keep an eye out for the type. The Israelis accept it as a given, and they figure if you can’t reason or make amends with somebody, you ignore them. Best way to ignore them is to separate yourself from them so they can’t bother you and you don’t have to bother with them. Easiest way is to build a big wall, which the Israeli engineers are good at. They at least learned something from the Romans.
And finally, Tweety, gimme a break! “No american in this lifetime has "Pay'd the price" for the freedom ecpect (typo) the vets from WW2...” What about Martin L King, Jr and his ilk? I know what you meant but gimme a break. People who love their country sometimes are not smart enough to question it or have the self-conviction or luxury to say “Hell no we won’t go!”
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If I were selling anything of honest value I would prefer to sell it to one of my pals here rather than a no-name off CL - regardless of what the item is.
When Hawkster first started this project I bought a bunch of his take-offs so I have a vested interest in seeing this project through to completion. His project shows immense creativity and craftsmanship. We should try to support his efforts in any manner available to us.
So shake out your panties and get back to work. Sincerely, Mr. Roundboxes
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Here's a nice article about Tweety's hometown. They sure know how to deal with things there.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/01/ap...m-enclave.html
When Sharia law is the norm in Sweden, they'll all wish they had some means to revolt.
To debunk your notion that the United states is not the most armed country in the world here's a bit of information for you:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2834893820070828
Certainly we have an alarming number of gun related deaths, however we have an alarming number of criminals as well. Once we have diosposed of the criminal element I am certain balance will be achieved and we can all become what Obama wants and you think we should be.
Now be harsh to me Tweety, I am not scared of a little debate.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/01/ap...m-enclave.html
When Sharia law is the norm in Sweden, they'll all wish they had some means to revolt.
To debunk your notion that the United states is not the most armed country in the world here's a bit of information for you:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL2834893820070828
Certainly we have an alarming number of gun related deaths, however we have an alarming number of criminals as well. Once we have diosposed of the criminal element I am certain balance will be achieved and we can all become what Obama wants and you think we should be.
Now be harsh to me Tweety, I am not scared of a little debate.
Last edited by RWhisen; Jan 7, 2010 at 02:40 PM.
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Homicide rates have next to nothing to do with gun laws and nearly everything to do with demographics.
That's why Washington D.C. and Chicago have both the most draconian gun laws and outrageous murder rates.
Places like North Dakota and Vermont have virtually no gun laws and nearly no homicides.
That's why Washington D.C. and Chicago have both the most draconian gun laws and outrageous murder rates.
Places like North Dakota and Vermont have virtually no gun laws and nearly no homicides.
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Guns
I think guns and motorcycles go well together, along with airplanes.
How many of you Merikans have dreamed of having a 50cal sticking out of each of your VTRs fake intakes with the horn button as the trigger?
Guns are cool machines; actually automatics are a power system unto themselves. Feed the breech however and as long as you hold the trigger several different operations occur to fire with a fuel (propellant) a projectile towards whatever target you aim at. And how they developed over the last 1,000+ years is fascinating. The engineering and production technology used to manufacture motorcycle and planes would never have been developed if it were not for guns. Sweden had the Carl Gustov (a later copy of the English Sten) but Denmark had the neato Madsen (2nd generation mass-produced submachine gun design) and Finland had the Suomi sub and killed a lot of Reds withem.
If William Tel was alive today, dont you think hed prefer to shoot an apple off his sons head with a 7mm Remington magnum from 1,000 yards? Could he even own a cross bow in Dfaderland today, let alone a cool piece of German military technology?
Guns were originally developed as the next step in hunting tech. It didnt take long to apply guns to warfare, as anything that killed was obviously used for that too.
How did Tweety get broads into the thread? Hee hee
Yeh, we have too many guns and Im glad to see that Tweety agrees than guns dont kill people, people do. The whole gun control thing is basically the same as drunk drivers. They do a better job with that in Scandinavia too. Its a lot easier to do it in a small country, as someone said. Americas problem with excess also includes guns. But we love our guns as much as our doughnuts.
We also have a bigger prison population than some countries have people, and most European capitals have citizens. We are equal opportunity bullies though (being good Merikans), we treat our own Joe citizens as bad as any other country's. Nobodys perfect.
Politically, weve been at end of the Merikan Empire for a while now but we never compared to Rome anyway. But we still carry the biggest stick and the western world needs us even though they might not know it. We are at the beginning of another 100 years war kiddies, and its us against them; dont kid yourself. Theres no going back with an Islamist extremist. The big hot potato security wise is is profiling a necessary evil. I personally dont get it. If a certain type of person is trying to kill me, I keep an eye out for the type. The Israelis accept it as a given, and they figure if you cant reason or make amends with somebody, you ignore them. Best way to ignore them is to separate yourself from them so they cant bother you and you dont have to bother with them. Easiest way is to build a big wall, which the Israeli engineers are good at. They at least learned something from the Romans.
And finally, Tweety, gimme a break! No american in this lifetime has "Pay'd the price" for the freedom ecpect (typo) the vets from WW2... What about Martin L King, Jr and his ilk? I know what you meant but gimme a break. People who love their country sometimes are not smart enough to question it or have the self-conviction or luxury to say Hell no we wont go!
I think guns and motorcycles go well together, along with airplanes.
How many of you Merikans have dreamed of having a 50cal sticking out of each of your VTRs fake intakes with the horn button as the trigger?
Guns are cool machines; actually automatics are a power system unto themselves. Feed the breech however and as long as you hold the trigger several different operations occur to fire with a fuel (propellant) a projectile towards whatever target you aim at. And how they developed over the last 1,000+ years is fascinating. The engineering and production technology used to manufacture motorcycle and planes would never have been developed if it were not for guns. Sweden had the Carl Gustov (a later copy of the English Sten) but Denmark had the neato Madsen (2nd generation mass-produced submachine gun design) and Finland had the Suomi sub and killed a lot of Reds withem.
If William Tel was alive today, dont you think hed prefer to shoot an apple off his sons head with a 7mm Remington magnum from 1,000 yards? Could he even own a cross bow in Dfaderland today, let alone a cool piece of German military technology?
Guns were originally developed as the next step in hunting tech. It didnt take long to apply guns to warfare, as anything that killed was obviously used for that too.
How did Tweety get broads into the thread? Hee hee
Yeh, we have too many guns and Im glad to see that Tweety agrees than guns dont kill people, people do. The whole gun control thing is basically the same as drunk drivers. They do a better job with that in Scandinavia too. Its a lot easier to do it in a small country, as someone said. Americas problem with excess also includes guns. But we love our guns as much as our doughnuts.
We also have a bigger prison population than some countries have people, and most European capitals have citizens. We are equal opportunity bullies though (being good Merikans), we treat our own Joe citizens as bad as any other country's. Nobodys perfect.
Politically, weve been at end of the Merikan Empire for a while now but we never compared to Rome anyway. But we still carry the biggest stick and the western world needs us even though they might not know it. We are at the beginning of another 100 years war kiddies, and its us against them; dont kid yourself. Theres no going back with an Islamist extremist. The big hot potato security wise is is profiling a necessary evil. I personally dont get it. If a certain type of person is trying to kill me, I keep an eye out for the type. The Israelis accept it as a given, and they figure if you cant reason or make amends with somebody, you ignore them. Best way to ignore them is to separate yourself from them so they cant bother you and you dont have to bother with them. Easiest way is to build a big wall, which the Israeli engineers are good at. They at least learned something from the Romans.
And finally, Tweety, gimme a break! No american in this lifetime has "Pay'd the price" for the freedom ecpect (typo) the vets from WW2... What about Martin L King, Jr and his ilk? I know what you meant but gimme a break. People who love their country sometimes are not smart enough to question it or have the self-conviction or luxury to say Hell no we wont go!
No, guns have never ever killed people... People kill people... But if a reasonable control over guns where imposed some people would never be in a position to use said gun to kill somebody...
Yeah, there are a few issues with scale... But refuse to believe that is the problem with the US gun control laws... The real reason is the zealots shouting as soon as it comes up for debate... Give them a pacifier and shove them in the corner... Once a reasonable and working system is agreed on, implementing it will really be no problem... Yeah it will take time, but most things worth doing does...
About the broads? Well you tell me...
Ok, I forgot MLK and others as him... I never said I was right...
Or had all the facts straigth... I however said I had a few valid points to discuss and that some of you guys could benefit from seeing a non-americans view on things sometimes...Well... I know I'm bad at spelling... I can mangle spelling in 6 or 7 languages however, so that should count in my favour...
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Here's a nice article about Tweety's hometown. They sure know how to deal with things there.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/01/ap...m-enclave.html
When Sharia law is the norm in Sweden, they'll all wish they had some means to revolt.
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/01/ap...m-enclave.html
When Sharia law is the norm in Sweden, they'll all wish they had some means to revolt.
How would you prefer the police (of any country) deal with some 100+ kids ranging from 7-15 throwing stones at them? Assault rifles perhaps?
As 16 is the legal age in Sweden where tried as an adult, their older brothers and fathers made sure to keep a low profile...
There is no "muslim enclave"... There are no Sharia Laws in effect anywhere in Sweden... And there won't be for a very long time...
There are now laws either in effect or being passed that will make this a non-issue... Basicly giving the police the right to hold the stone throwing crowd till mom and dad comes and claims them... At which point they pay of any damages before their precious little brat gets released... Since I doubt they like paying too much I also doubt they will let their kids cause any more damage... Burning stuff is fun, until you get to pay for it...
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But refuse to believe that is the problem with the US gun control laws... The real reason is the zealots shouting as soon as it comes up for debate... Give them a pacifier and shove them in the corner... Once a reasonable and working system is agreed on, implementing it will really be no problem... Yeah it will take time, but most things worth doing does...
Well... I know I'm bad at spelling... I can mangle spelling in 6 or 7 languages however, so that should count in my favour...
Well... I know I'm bad at spelling... I can mangle spelling in 6 or 7 languages however, so that should count in my favour...
I live in a state that allows a concealed carry permit and prior to the passage of that the anti-gun lobbytists cried and screamed how it would resemble the Old-West on every street. That simply hasn't happened. Funny thing is that with the most stringent laws on the books for gun control Washington DC has the highest per capita gun violence and violations.
Laws obviously don't work but a well armed populace does. Gun ownership in spite of the sporting uses is a hobby that many of us enjoy. Be it firing belt fed machine guns (special permit required) or plinking with a .22 caliber.
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Yeah, there are a few issues with scale... But refuse to believe that is the problem with the US gun control laws... The real reason is the zealots shouting as soon as it comes up for debate... Give them a pacifier and shove them in the corner... Once a reasonable and working system is agreed on, implementing it will really be no problem... Yeah it will take time, but most things worth doing does...
Criminals don't obey gun laws. That's why they're called criminals.
California has a list of so called "reasonable gun laws" as long as your arm. Too long to list, but you can look them up.
Here's the question;
How many of California's murderers, rapists, drug dealers, gang bangers, armed robbers etc. do you imagine would like to have a gun but can't seem to find one? Couldn't buy another one in the next 30 minutes?
The answer of course is ZERO. NOT ONE.
So what, exactly, is the purpose of these "reasonable" laws?
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Well, first that webpage is right on about 5% of it's information... So you probably should go read a few more sources before forming an opinion... Reading that is like reading the headlines on a newspaper on aliens (the space kind... can't remember the name of any such "newspaper"...) and forming an opinion based on it
http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/20...in-sweden.html
http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/...f-islam-video/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bl.../2389041/posts
Those should be enough to at least pull your head out of the sand concerning your own country and perhaps look around a bit, dig deeper and make some assessments.
As a frequent international traveler I am very experienced in your part of the worlds as well as numerous others. I too can mangle spelling in multiple languages as well.
I like this article about your Utopian society.
http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/...ternal-threat/
Last edited by RWhisen; Jan 7, 2010 at 03:08 PM.
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We have a glut of laws on the books already to insure that only law abiding citizens own or have access to guns. Unfortunately they are not well enforced.
I live in a state that allows a concealed carry permit and prior to the passage of that the anti-gun lobbytists cried and screamed how it would resemble the Old-West on every street. That simply hasn't happened. Funny thing is that with the most stringent laws on the books for gun control Washington DC has the highest per capita gun violence and violations.
Laws obviously don't work but a well armed populace does. Gun ownership in spite of the sporting uses is a hobby that many of us enjoy. Be it firing belt fed machine guns (special permit required) or plinking with a .22 caliber.
I live in a state that allows a concealed carry permit and prior to the passage of that the anti-gun lobbytists cried and screamed how it would resemble the Old-West on every street. That simply hasn't happened. Funny thing is that with the most stringent laws on the books for gun control Washington DC has the highest per capita gun violence and violations.
Laws obviously don't work but a well armed populace does. Gun ownership in spite of the sporting uses is a hobby that many of us enjoy. Be it firing belt fed machine guns (special permit required) or plinking with a .22 caliber.
Like with most laws in the US, it's not the laws in itself that's the problem... It's the implemention... Actually considering the amount of laws you guys have, if they where all implemented to the same agree that laws here are, you'd probably need permission to go to the bathroom...
I have repeatedly said I have no problem with guns or people owning them, as long as there are reasonable laws in effect...
One of the areas where your laws are ridiculous is machine guns... Why any private citizen would need such a thing is absolutely ridiculous to even discuss... They don't need one, and should not have one... It's as simple as that... Same goes for the Uzi and others in that category...
A hunting weapon can be used to kill... An assault weapon cannot be used to hunt... It's sole purpose is to kill humans...
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Tweety;
So if the good man who lived next door to you had a room full of self loading FAL's, G3's, AG42's etc. you'd be OK but if the same good man had a little UZI machine pistol you'd be fearful? Ha! I don't get it.
So if the good man who lived next door to you had a room full of self loading FAL's, G3's, AG42's etc. you'd be OK but if the same good man had a little UZI machine pistol you'd be fearful? Ha! I don't get it.
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Here are a few more sources for you:
http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/20...in-sweden.html
http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/...f-islam-video/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bl.../2389041/posts
Those should be enough to at least pull your head out of the sand concerning your own country and perhaps look around a bit, dig deeper and make some assessments.
As a frequent international traveler I am very experienced in your part of the worlds as well as numerous others. I too can mangle spelling in multiple languages as well.
Water cannons should be effective!
Keep living that dream Tweety.
I like this article about your Utopian society.
http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/...ternal-threat/
http://islamineurope.blogspot.com/20...in-sweden.html
http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/...f-islam-video/
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bl.../2389041/posts
Those should be enough to at least pull your head out of the sand concerning your own country and perhaps look around a bit, dig deeper and make some assessments.
As a frequent international traveler I am very experienced in your part of the worlds as well as numerous others. I too can mangle spelling in multiple languages as well.
Water cannons should be effective!
Keep living that dream Tweety.
I like this article about your Utopian society.
http://creepingsharia.wordpress.com/...ternal-threat/
Just one thing... If you see the name "Jimmy Åkesson" in any of your sources, discount it... Quoting him in this discussion is like quoting the leader of the Arian Brotherhood or the KKK about black people... His voice carries about the same wieght with people that try to think for themselves and aren't afraid to progress past the use of fire or the wheel...
I'm not saying Sweden is in any way Utopian... You did... If you wan't to have a debate stick to facts and do not try to put words in my mouth... If you do that one more time, I will completley ignore you from that point on... Fair warning...
If you actually read the links that followed on those links about Sharia laws you'd find (In Swedish, dunno if that is one of the languages you can read?) that they basicly compare already existing Swedish laws with the applicable sharia laws... No laws have been added or revised...
The video was fun to watch... It's nicely edited though... You wan't an eyewitness account instead? I can provide it... Both from a few of the officers at the scene and the firemen... I know a few of them...
Well... If I have the head in the sand about my country... What do you call your thinking on yours? I know of these happenings quite intimately, and yes some of them worry me... But there is a great deal of difference in how the people around here think and act, on both sides, than in the US...
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In the Old West you didn't conceal the weapon... Or mostly not at least...
Like with most laws in the US, it's not the laws in itself that's the problem... It's the implemention... Actually considering the amount of laws you guys have, if they where all implemented to the same agree that laws here are, you'd probably need permission to go to the bathroom...
I have repeatedly said I have no problem with guns or people owning them, as long as there are reasonable laws in effect...
One of the areas where your laws are ridiculous is machine guns... Why any private citizen would need such a thing is absolutely ridiculous to even discuss... They don't need one, and should not have one... It's as simple as that... Same goes for the Uzi and others in that category...
A hunting weapon can be used to kill... An assault weapon cannot be used to hunt... It's sole purpose is to kill humans...
Like with most laws in the US, it's not the laws in itself that's the problem... It's the implemention... Actually considering the amount of laws you guys have, if they where all implemented to the same agree that laws here are, you'd probably need permission to go to the bathroom...
I have repeatedly said I have no problem with guns or people owning them, as long as there are reasonable laws in effect...
One of the areas where your laws are ridiculous is machine guns... Why any private citizen would need such a thing is absolutely ridiculous to even discuss... They don't need one, and should not have one... It's as simple as that... Same goes for the Uzi and others in that category...
A hunting weapon can be used to kill... An assault weapon cannot be used to hunt... It's sole purpose is to kill humans...
Almost no crimes are committed with so-called assault weapons.
The fact is that gun laws are designed expressly to infringe upon the rights of ordinary, law abiding citizens, not to reduce crime, and the politicians who grandstand for such laws know exactly what they are doing, their windy rhetoric notwithstanding.
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The Uzi was merely an example... The G3's, FAL's and a lot of others classify as the same...
As for the assualt weapon being low in the statistics... Yeah... Same reason for that as the hunting rifle... Any cop with a half decent set of glasses could spot the fleeing suspect with an rifle or assault rifle slung over the shoulder... The top of the list is a semi-automatic handgun I'm guessing?
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Maybe this should get moved to Rant, or at least Everything Else. When that happens I'd be interested in hearing religious views if the national, sociopolitical stuff runs out of steam. Look out PWNT!!!
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One of the areas where your laws are ridiculous is machine guns... Why any private citizen would need such a thing is absolutely ridiculous to even discuss... They don't need one, and should not have one... It's as simple as that... Same goes for the Uzi and others in that category...
A hunting weapon can be used to kill... An assault weapon cannot be used to hunt... It's sole purpose is to kill humans...
A hunting weapon can be used to kill... An assault weapon cannot be used to hunt... It's sole purpose is to kill humans...
Since you have so obviously bitten on the media coined term of "assault weapon", can you explain to me what one is? Is it one because it is black? Is it one because it has a detachable magazine? Is it one because it has a flash supressor? Is it one because it is semi-automatic? Is it one because it looks menacing?
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In a perfect world sugar wouldn't make people Fat, and sex with animals wouldn't make the local clergy vomit, but hey, we don't live in a perfect world. We live in a world that has bad people, that want to do bad things, with or without the use of a firearm. So until the day that all of the criminals, bad people, and morons are rounded up and disposed of in a proper manor, I will cling to my guns and continue to improve my marksmanship.
Now STFU and go ride and shoot to your hearts content....Dumbass Liberal ***** *****'s **** me off to no end...
Now STFU and go ride and shoot to your hearts content....Dumbass Liberal ***** *****'s **** me off to no end...
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One of the areas where your laws are ridiculous is machine guns... Why any private citizen would need such a thing is absolutely ridiculous to even discuss... They don't need one, and should not have one... It's as simple as that... Same goes for the Uzi and others in that category...
A hunting weapon can be used to kill... An assault weapon cannot be used to hunt... It's sole purpose is to kill humans...
A hunting weapon can be used to kill... An assault weapon cannot be used to hunt... It's sole purpose is to kill humans...
As for "assault weapons" the only thing that makes a hunting rifle any different is what it looks like. (literally what it looks like, not function in any way shape or form) I know people who prefer to hunt with AR-15 clones. They are assault weapons under law, but also legal to hunt with, and great for this purpose.
Assault weapons are not fully automatic, they are semi auto (one bullet per trigger pull) what makes a assault weapon so under US law is literally what it looks like.. If it is shaped in a way to look like a military weapon, even if it functions internally identically to one covered in wood, it has different laws applied to it.
If you want to understand where Americans are coming from when it comes to firearm ownership, I recommend reading the Federalist Papers (#29 is the one that addresses it). These were written by our founding fathers to explain some of the choices they made in creating our country. A copy of #29 can be found here: http://www.foundingfathers.info/fede...pers/fed29.htm It was written by Alexander Hamilton in 1788.
By his reasoning, a machine gun should be more protected and more important for citizens to own than a hunting rifle. I quote:
"This will not only lessen the call for military establishments, but if circumstances should at any time oblige the government to form an army of any magnitude that army can never be formidable to the liberties of the people while there is a large body of citizens, little, if at all, inferior to them in discipline and the use of arms, who stand ready to defend their own rights and those of their fellow-citizens. This appears to me the only substitute that can be devised for a standing army, and the best possible security against it, if it should exist."
In other words, to protect against tyranny the best tool is a well armed populace. Our government has proven to be tyrannical (look at what it is doing overseas).. I don't want it to become even more powerful by disarming the populace.
Of course this is all thought processes.. Real life is often different.. But that is the thinking behind it all, and if you can admit it has some merit, I can admit it takes a lot of trust to implement.. More trust than most people are willing to give their fellow man.. Here in the USA we try to trust, sometimes we get burned.
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I haven't personally but yes you can hunt with a G3 and some guys do.
Hunt the same game you'd hunt with any other rifle which fires a 30 caliber/165 grain bullet at 2800 feet per second. Do you think the deer or black bear is going to know the difference?
Hunt the same game you'd hunt with any other rifle which fires a 30 caliber/165 grain bullet at 2800 feet per second. Do you think the deer or black bear is going to know the difference?
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Good thoughts lazn or should I say Alexander Hamilton.
It is a common misconception that machine guns cannot be owned by law-abiding citizens. This comes from the creation of a variety of confusing laws that have made purchasing a full-auto gun more difficult than purchasing a "normal" gun. But, if you can comply with the law, you may qualify to own a machine gun.
First a brief history: In May of 1986, certain laws went into effect that made it illegal for 'civilians' to own fully automatic firearms that were manufactured AFTER THAT DATE. Many fully automatic weapons manufactured, registered and tax paid BEFORE MAY, 1986, MAY BE OWNED BY AND SOLD TO INDIVIDUALS making it "transferrable".. The full-auto guns that may be owned by individuals are called 'transferable'. Some states DO NOT allow machine gun ownership at all, no matter when the gun was made, but many states do.
To purchase a transferable machine gun, you must meet certain requirements (generally the same as when you purchase another gun, but with additional scrutiny), fill out special paperwork (called a 'form 4'), and pay a $200, one-time, transfer tax. Every time a machine gun is transferred, the $200 tax must be paid-- usually by the purchaser.
It is a common misconception that machine guns cannot be owned by law-abiding citizens. This comes from the creation of a variety of confusing laws that have made purchasing a full-auto gun more difficult than purchasing a "normal" gun. But, if you can comply with the law, you may qualify to own a machine gun.
First a brief history: In May of 1986, certain laws went into effect that made it illegal for 'civilians' to own fully automatic firearms that were manufactured AFTER THAT DATE. Many fully automatic weapons manufactured, registered and tax paid BEFORE MAY, 1986, MAY BE OWNED BY AND SOLD TO INDIVIDUALS making it "transferrable".. The full-auto guns that may be owned by individuals are called 'transferable'. Some states DO NOT allow machine gun ownership at all, no matter when the gun was made, but many states do.
To purchase a transferable machine gun, you must meet certain requirements (generally the same as when you purchase another gun, but with additional scrutiny), fill out special paperwork (called a 'form 4'), and pay a $200, one-time, transfer tax. Every time a machine gun is transferred, the $200 tax must be paid-- usually by the purchaser.
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Just one thing... If you see the name "Jimmy Åkesson" in any of your sources, discount it... Quoting him in this discussion is like quoting the leader of the Arian Brotherhood or the KKK about black people... His voice carries about the same wieght with people that try to think for themselves and aren't afraid to progress past the use of fire or the wheel...
Well... If I have the head in the sand about my country... What do you call your thinking on yours? I know of these happenings quite intimately, and yes some of them worry me... But there is a great deal of difference in how the people around here think and act, on both sides, than in the US...
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Originally Posted by RWhisen
How can you cite facts when all you have given is personal opinion? I have provided you with links to Reuters and a few others but you claim thay are not true.
I responded to a few of your links in specific... The Reuters one is probably accurate, and it puts the numbers for the US population higher than I realized... I knew the numbers for Sweden would be around what reported... I did however never, even menation that particular link, as I was actually reading it...
Originally Posted by RWhisen
I didn't realize we were watching the abridged version.
