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Old Aug 3, 2005 | 11:13 AM
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adjusting idle : carb balance ?

Idle is set around 1300 rpm.
The engine almost never stall.
The "rpm needle" isn't very stable : erratic between 1200/1400 rpm.
At neutral and snaping throttle quickly :
- The bike takes revs (5000 revs for example) and returns quickly to 2000 rpm then stay a little time at this revs and then return to idle
- at high temp, I often have a "pop" and engine does not take revs
- with pair system still working I can here exhaust popping while returning from high revs to idle

Have to setup pilot screws as well to richen/leanen a bit ? (pilot screws=mixture screws=idle screws ?)

This behaviour apart, the bike seems to run well.

I will do a carb balance this week end but what would you suggest to check/setup/mod at this time ?
Tuning pilot screws ? Disable Pair ? Shim needle ? Suppress manifold restrictors ?
In which order ?

I have a completely stock bike (airfilter/exhaust/jet settings/pair enabled)

Thanks a lot ;-)
Old Aug 3, 2005 | 11:53 AM
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Re: adjusting idle, carb balance, etc

Is it popping when riding at high revs and then cutting the throttle or is it popping when the bike is in neutral and returning to idle from high revs?
It is popping when the bike is in neutral and returning to idle from high revs.
Seems that "hangs up" says "stay a little time" before dropping to idle ?

I may have misunderstood because you said:
the RPM hanging up a bit after the throttle is "blipped" is a classic symptom of a rich idle circuit
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If the throttle is lightly "blipped" at idle, and the rpm "hangs up" before dropping to the set idle speed, and there are no intake leaks and the idle speed is set at less than 1000 rpm, the mixture screws are probably too lean: try 1/2 turn out, to richen mixture.
Which is the opposite, isn't it ?
Old Aug 4, 2005 | 11:36 AM
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Re: adjusting idle, carb balance, etc

I check it again : blipping throttle at high temp (100°c) , the revs returns to idle with a step at 2000 while at cold/mid temp (50 to 75°c), it returns to idle really better.
Using a bit of choke at high temp, the engine stalls immediatly.

Sounds it is running rich isn't it ?
Would i have to adjust mixture screws even after I do the carbs balance ?
Any tips to adjust the mixture screw of 1/4 turn without the specific tool ?
Old Aug 4, 2005 | 12:04 PM
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Re: adjusting idle : carb balance ?

Totally agree with you ! I will sync carb first. I doubt carbs are completely out of sync, bike is running well after all. :wink:
Old Aug 6, 2005 | 05:50 AM
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Re: adjusting idle : carb balance ?

Pair system disabled, carbs sync done.
No changes (carbs was pretty well sync'ed)
Blipping throttle at idle, returns to idle with a small step at 2000 rpm.
Old Aug 6, 2005 | 08:50 AM
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the failure to quickly return to idle can be cured(after all other tunining) by performing an'idle drop procedure" as described in the factory manual. I've used it and it works. you'll need a tachometer that will work on two cyclinders.
Old Aug 6, 2005 | 09:15 AM
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Re: adjusting idle : carb balance ?

Withouth the tool it's near impossible to adjust the mixture on the bike. The dealer charged me $25 to do the idle-drop procedure detailed in the SH manual and it gave me a rock-solid idle. My bike didn't have the same symptoms but it's a good way to get the right setting. Good luck.
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Originally Posted by thetophatflash";p=&quot
you'll need a tachometer that will work on two cyclinders.
Why a 'two cylinders" tachometer ?
Where can I find a tachometer that can display 50 rpm ?
Old Aug 6, 2005 | 02:20 PM
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I have a dwell-tach that handles 2,4 & 8 cylinders. It is a Heathkit that I built twenty years ago. I suspect that there is a tach out there that can handle two cylinders and the 50rpm drop. This procedure is in most Honda factory manuals. The basic procedure is pretty much the same, but there are different start settings depending on your model. This should only be done after all tune up items and the TPS calibration. My '99 almost never 'coughs' and dies and when the throttle is closed it drops to idle speed staight away. I'm going to do a search for an appropriate tach online. I'll get back to you if I find anything.
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the "two cyclinder" refers to whether or not the tach is calibrated to give a reading for a two cylinder engine.
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these guys have an expensive tach that will do the job. there should be sqmething less pricey out their i'll keep looking.

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Old Aug 7, 2005 | 04:54 AM
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Re: adjusting idle : carb balance ?

Riding the bike with carbs sync'ed and pair sytem disabled, the idle is now less eratic and no more "pops" at exhaust during deceleration.
Just a little step at 2000 rpm returning idle after blipping throttle.
It goes worse as the engine temp increases.
I think my mixture screws are a little rich.

I'm too lazy to unmount all stuff, just to turn 1/4 in my mixture screws ...
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I've just put in a Factory 1.0 jet kit, and played heck trying to get idle fixed. I found it was easy to miss the passage about "idle set to less than 1000 RPM", and that made a difference for some reason.

Right now, if I set idle to about 1000 and blip it, it doesn't hang up. If I adjust idle up to about 1200 and blip it, it hangs at 2000 before dipping back. And no amount of adjusting the pilot jet screws changes those symptoms.

Than again, I think temps are running a bit too high, indicating too lean...so maybe I still have other issues. <sigh>
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