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Old 07-26-2012, 09:56 PM
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3 ?'s :).. how to clean bike+paint frame+TPS :(

hey guys... i got my carbs all set to go!!! im still working on the tps .. im still trying to figure out how to turn the tps down?? everytime i move it, it just goes back to where it was(the grey part with 2 tabs on it.) please can someone explain exactly how to do it? i can't find it anywhere just what to do

also... since i have carbs off and the whole interior is exposed, it looks like hella.. all hoses covered in dirt crap.. oil/coolant all over... PO never took care of bike what so ever.. also it is from the uk because it is in km and it also have the firestorm logos on it... so can anyone tell me what exactly or how to clean?? block carbs off? spray with engine degrease? or what?
I would like to clean all of it like brand new again since its so damn ugly and disgusting.. i know people wont see it.. but I will know.. and I want to take the time and do it right and make it my baby ...

also... I want to paint my bike 1 day.. I would like to do the frame matte black... as i've seen in pictures somewhere... how much harder/more time would it be to get that done?? do I need to take the whole frame off to paint it? or do I cover up stuff?? or how much harder is it to do that, while i got carbs and tank and everything else off??

i am heading to walmart now.. to get engine degrease cuz I know i need that much... but what else do I need?? can i clean all the hoses and plastics and everything with degrease?? I appreciate the help fellas.. stuck on the tps and the cleaning/painting question at the moment ..
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for the tps,take out both the metal sleeves and widen the holes some so the tps can turn further each way,just like in the pic.

for the cleaning,make sure to dilute the degreser with water,50/50
or more water than degreaser like 60/40,after you clean it,than just wsh it off with good car soap and water to get the residue off.

for painting the frame,best way is to take the frame off the bike.could either get it powder coated any color you want or take it to a good painter to get it sprayed the color you want,unless you know how to do it yourself.
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Originally Posted by saige View Post
for the tps,take out both the metal sleeves and widen the holes some so the tps can tur further each way,just like in the pic.

for the cleaning,make sure to dilute the degreser with water,50/50
or more water than degreaser like 60/40,after you clean it,than just wsh it off with good car soap and water to get the residue off.

for painting the frame,best way is to take the frame off the bike.could either get it powder coated any color you want or take it to a good painter to get it sprayed the color you want,unless you know how to do it yourself.
Thank for the awesome quick response brotha!!!..okay I will get that now...and I'm still kind of confused on the tps? Do I drill the holes out with the 3/16 bit like hawks tps thread?? What does the bigger holes do??i went and got 2 8mm torque screws...so what am I suppose to do exactly after I drill the holes out??im sorry but I'm just not getting this part ..it's making me sad lol...I got the 2 slide holes filled, 1 on each slide..the new keihlin jets put in at 2 1/4 front and 2 1/2 rear...am I suppose to be screwing with the nut on the other side??can you please explain each step and what piece is suppose to be adjusted...I'm sorry bro I'm just not getting this part..thanks a lot saige I really appreciate the help!
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Originally Posted by saige View Post
for the tps,take out both the metal sleeves and widen the holes some so the tps can tur further each way,just like in the pic.

for the cleaning,make sure to dilute the degreser with water,50/50
or more water than degreaser like 60/40,after you clean it,than just wsh it off with good car soap and water to get the residue off.

for painting the frame,best way is to take the frame off the bike.could either get it powder coated any color you want or take it to a good painter to get it sprayed the color you want,unless you know how to do it yourself.
Also what is powder coat on the frame??okay I will remove frame..I want a matte black color on them to go with the black painted bike...is the powder coat that rough looking paint?cuz that's what I'm going for...and is it hard to do myself??thanks again saige and everyone else...as always so nice and helpful to a new guy with no bike experience...thank you
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Old 07-26-2012, 11:01 PM
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Also...how exactly do I Mia the degreaser 50/50 if they are in spray cans??what do I do exactly spray it in a bucket and mix water??or do I spray on and use water to clean??im at Walmart now so if anyone knows this question please answer it is much appreciated.
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Old 07-26-2012, 11:20 PM
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Originally Posted by Shane702 View Post
Thank for the awesome quick response brotha!!!..okay I will get that now...and I'm still kind of confused on the tps? Do I drill the holes out with the 3/16 bit like hawks tps thread?? What does the bigger holes do??i went and got 2 8mm torque screws...so what am I suppose to do exactly after I drill the holes out??im sorry but I'm just not getting this part ..it's making me sad lol...I got the 2 slide holes filled, 1 on each slide..the new keihlin jets put in at 2 1/4 front and 2 1/2 rear...am I suppose to be screwing with the nut on the other side??can you please explain each step and what piece is suppose to be adjusted...I'm sorry bro I'm just not getting this part..thanks a lot saige I really appreciate the help!
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no,dont drill them out,the little metal sleeves will pop right out with a little push.
you are just gonna use the drill bit to widen the oval hole some.once that is done,put the sleeves back in the hole,it might not be snug in there,but thats ok,its just there so you dont crush the plastic when you tighten it down.
this will allow you to turn the tps just a bit more once you screw it in.do you have a meter to read the ohms on the tps.

for the carbs,if im not mistaken,it is only the front carb slide you are suppose to fill in.i may be wrong,so hopefully someone who knows will chime in,or you might have to read the carb setup again to make sure.
what is the thickness in total of the washers you are using for the needles.

the keihlin jets,as far as i know,they just go in where they are suppose too.
the 2 1/4 and 2 1/2 turns is for the air mixture screws only.
in the pic,you will see the location of the air mixture screw,yours might look like that since you got the firestorm,not sure,but that one in the pic has the fitting for a flat head,the U.S. version is a D-shaped kind of bolt.
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Old 07-26-2012, 11:23 PM
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powder coat is a very strong kind of paint,it is sprayed on,and than put in a oven to bake.
can google it,so you can see the process.
if you want it mat black,than if you want it too look factory and really nice,i would take the frame off and get it done.
other wise,have a go at it,what the worst that could happen lol
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Old 07-26-2012, 11:29 PM
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you can buy degreaser that is concentrated,the purple or green stuff.with a strong water hose,can just spray off,or could use preassure washer,but at a distance and very carefully,could do damage.

if you buying the stuff in can,be very carfull with where and how you put the stuff on the motor and bike.
take all plastic body parts off,seal up any holes that is open to the motor,dont let nothing get in where the carbs sit.
do not get any on chain,bearings of any kind,becarefull period where it goes.
wash afterwards with soap and water,maybe even twice.
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Wow thanks do much man!!!on the slides, it's 1 on each hole...I thought so also but he explains a situation only doing front, then at end of paragraph says that's why you do 1 on each slide...and wow!!! I did the turns on jets!!o was wondering why they were lose!!thank god u said something bro u would have been screwed ))...I just bought degrease for oil and heavy stains, and 1 for the hoses and plastics and stuff ...okay I will be home in ten minutes and ill see ur response...I do not want the factory black..I want all the silver to be a matte black color...I'll try and look up powder coating but what is the difference?? And on the tps...I think I understand..so take out the metal, and drill a slighty bigger hole to allow the tps to move a bit???is that what I'm trying to do??and is it clockwise or course clockwise??qnd do I do both holes???sorry I don't know why I'm not understanding this tps thing lol!!!!ur awesome saige..cheers mate!
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Originally Posted by Shane702 View Post
Wow thanks do much man!!!on the slides, it's 1 on each hole...I thought so also but he explains a situation only doing front, then at end of paragraph says that's why you do 1 on each slide...and wow!!! I did the turns on jets!!o was wondering why they were lose!!thank god u said something bro u would have been screwed ))...I just bought degrease for oil and heavy stains, and 1 for the hoses and plastics and stuff ...okay I will be home in ten minutes and ill see ur response...I do not want the factory black..I want all the silver to be a matte black color...I'll try and look up powder coating but what is the difference?? And on the tps...I think I understand..so take out the metal, and drill a slighty bigger hole to allow the tps to move a bit???is that what I'm trying to do??and is it clockwise or course clockwise??qnd do I do both holes???sorry I don't know why I'm not understanding this tps thing lol!!!!ur awesome saige..cheers mate!
with the powder coat,it can take hits from small debris that kicks up in traffic and not chip of flake,it can take a beating.

'"and drill a slighty bigger hole to allow the tps to move a bit???is that what I'm trying to do??and is it clockwise or course clockwise??qnd do I do both holes???" yes,both the holes you want slightly bigger to be able to turn it either which way.im not sure which way it needs to turn,but as long as you have the meter hooked up to it,you will see the numbers go up or down,you will figure out which way to turn once you see the numbers going where you want it.
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with the powder coat,it can take hits from small debris that kicks up in traffic and not chip of flake,it can take a beating.

'"and drill a slighty bigger hole to allow the tps to move a bit???is that what I'm trying to do??and is it clockwise or course clockwise??qnd do I do both holes???" yes,both the holes you want slightly bigger to be able to turn it either which way.im not sure which way it needs to turn,but as long as you have the meter hooked up to it,you will see the numbers go up or down,you will figure out which way to turn once you see the numbers going where you want it.
Okay awesome..I'm eating upstairs I'll be down in 5 minutes to try ..thx a lot buddy!!am I suppose to put that metal piece back in??or is that what the washer is for??i went to radio shack and bought a pack of small washers x20 #2,#4, #6, #8, #10...why do u ask which washer bro?
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Okay awesome..I'm eating upstairs I'll be down in 5 minutes to try ..thx a lot buddy!!am I suppose to put that metal piece back in??or is that what the washer is for??i went to radio shack and bought a pack of small washers x20 #2,#4, #6, #8, #10...why do u ask which washer bro?
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by metal piece,do you mean the oval sleeves you will take out from the tps,if thats what you mean,than yes,it will go back in the hole.it is so you dont crush the plastic housing.it will need to be very well screwed in to stay in place,dont do a hulk move on it,but good and ssolid.

was asking about washers because wasnt sure if you had the correct thickness for each slide or not,but from the sound of it,looks like you got that covered.

ok,good luck,its late for me where im at,so i will check back in later in the morning.

take your time and have fun.
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Originally Posted by saige View Post
by metal piece,do you mean the oval sleeves you will take out from the tps,if thats what you mean,than yes,it will go back in the hole.it is so you dont crush the plastic housing.it will need to be very well screwed in to stay in place,dont do a hulk move on it,but good and ssolid.

was asking about washers because wasnt sure if you had the correct thickness for each slide or not,but from the sound of it,looks like you got that covered.

ok,good luck,its late for me where im at,so i will check back in later in the morning.

take your time and have fun.
thanks alot saige.. cleaning everything now .. I will get to the carbs and tps in just a minute.. im glad u saved myself a huge error by not screwing the pilots in all the way... i hope no one else has made that mistake ... thanks saige!!! and everyone else who has helped me over the last 3 weeks... im glad I have great guys like you.. and hopefully I will return the favor someday in future

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update .. 1 of my slides is not 100%.. i spent an hr trying to get the slide back in.. and was like wth I couldn't get the gasket on.. then i tried the other 1.. bam easy as hell... so i went back to the other 1(after already putting it on wrong) and realized there was indents all over the slide gasket... so it wasn't 100% around so it couldn't go on straight... now i have to look for a slide.. does anyone know where I can find 1 cheap??

also secondly.. how hard is it to take the frame off from having the carbs off already?? I would like to get it painted matte black... how much would it cost for me to paint it myself?? saige mentioned something about powder coat.. is that the tough looking paint?? like rough?? i would like to paint all the silver frame and sub frame from silver to matte black.. any help or leads would be awesome!!!
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edit: groves are okay, I just wasn't doing it right.. yay to forum search, good day!

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Powder coat can be rough, it can be smooth, and it can be any color you want. It is a lot like a glaze that goes on pottery, you put it on in a wet state, then bake it and it hardens and takes on its color. If you want the frame black, powder coat is the way to go, but dont expect it to be cheap. It will be around $200 for the frame, up to $400 for frame, swing arm, and sub frame.

To remove the frame, are you prepared to disassemble the entire bike? You will need to strip it down to ONLY the frame, which means the front end, engine, swing arm, shock, subframe, did I say engine?, and all electronics need to come off. Wherever you take it to have it powdercoated will have to media blast it, spray the coat, then put it in a kiln, so there can not be anything on the frame whatsoever. If you want to just paint it, you need to know the proper procedure for painting, then you need to get the materials to paint aluminum, which is not cheap. Then you need a paint booth and a sprayer. You could use rattle cans, but dont expect it to last long or look very good.
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And completely disassembling the bike takes some special tools you either need to buy or make... Not too cheap...

I'd live with the looks a while If I where you, and get to know the bike, work out the quirks left behind by other owners... THEN, when you got that down, take it apart, and paint/powdercoat the frame and other parts... Starting with it, before you know how to dismantle the bike will just lead to frustration... You have managed to run into 10+ questions for the carbs and R/R... And those are the easy parts to work on...
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Okay then I will leave it as is ..tweety..in the carb setup I plugged one hole in each slide..looking back now it says the dr.honda stacks is meant to have one each...blah I think imma be needing to drill that adhesive out now
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Do you have Dr Honda stacks? They are an aftermarket part, stock is two plastick ones with the rear being longer.

An alternative for the frame could be a product called plastidip. It is a spray on coating that dries to a rubber like state. You can buy it in gallon or rattle can, and if you don't like it or want to do another color it peels right off with no residue. The best part is that the only prep work is cleaning. It can be glossy or flat, lasts up to two years, and can be removed like it was never there. If you are set on having the frame black, that is your best alternative to having it professionally done. Just remove the big body parts and tape off anything you don't want sprayed.
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Do you have Dr Honda stacks? They are an aftermarket part, stock is two plastick ones with the rear being longer.

An alternative for the frame could be a product called plastidip. It is a spray on coating that dries to a rubber like state. You can buy it in gallon or rattle can, and if you don't like it or want to do another color it peels right off with no residue. The best part is that the only prep work is cleaning. It can be glossy or flat, lasts up to two years, and can be removed like it was never there. If you are set on having the frame black, that is your best alternative to having it professionally done. Just remove the big body parts and tape off anything you don't want sprayed.
No sir everything is stock on bike mostly...so that means only close the front slide not the rear right?
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Powder coat can be rough, it can be smooth, and it can be any color you want. It is a lot like a glaze that goes on pottery, you put it on in a wet state, then bake it and it hardens and takes on its color. If you want the frame black, powder coat is the way to go, but dont expect it to be cheap. It will be around $200 for the frame, up to $400 for frame, swing arm, and sub frame.
Depends on where your'e at...

If you do a one shot process where I'm at you might be able to get the frame done for $100. I've heard you want to be careful with plastadip in areas of high heat. I think someone had it on their swingarm and the exhaust heat peeled it off. Powdercoat is actually a type of plastic that is baked on, very, VERY durable compared to paint.

Shane... clicky on my picture in my signature to see a lot of the process of what you're asking. I had to disassemble my bike, and taking the frame off is not a simple process (it's kinda wordy, so you may want to just look at the pics, haha!). Like Tweety said, it takes a couple special tools to do (although you can make these). Cleaning the frame, I use a product called "Simple Green". What also works WD-40. A nylon brush, some rags, some robust finger tips and a lot of patience help.

And yes to your answer of only closing the front slide. Only do both if you have aftermarket stacks in there.
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Depends on where your'e at...

If you do a one shot process where I'm at you might be able to get the frame done for $100. I've heard you want to be careful with plastadip in areas of high heat. I think someone had it on their swingarm and the exhaust heat peeled it off. Powdercoat is actually a type of plastic that is baked on, very, VERY durable compared to paint.

Shane... clicky on my picture in my signature to see a lot of the process of what you're asking. I had to disassemble my bike, and taking the frame off is not a simple process (it's kinda wordy, so you may want to just look at the pics, haha!). Like Tweety said, it takes a couple special tools to do (although you can make these). Cleaning the frame, I use a product called "Simple Green". What also works WD-40. A nylon brush, some rags, some robust finger tips and a lot of patience help.

And yes to your answer of only closing the front slide. Only do both if you have aftermarket stacks in there.
thanks moore!! would you recommend getting different needles since I already epoxy both holes, and if so, which needles would you recommend?? my bike got towed to shop today, I did the tps setting and all my plastics are off and carbs... they are putting in the following this week, anyone recommendations on my next part to my bike would be much appreciated.. you guys are very nice and kind to me and I appreciate it.. My girlfriend knows of this site now and says tweety is a smartass like me lol.. :P... anyways.. custom red galfer brake line, custom red galfer clutch line, PSR regular levers(that bend in), racetech forksprings .90 I believe is it??, gold valve kit for the fork springs[I was told maybe getting all wheel bearings, is this true and a great upgrade while they are in there anyways?, front and rear manual ape cct's, I just put a new R/R FH012AA on from jacks connectors and r/r for 41.99$ on ebay .. or should I drill through the rear carb with same fit and drill out the epoxy I did and leave stock needles in?? what do you guys recommend?? ok im going to look at the process now buddy... I would love to take the time to do that, I have my great superhawk friends to help me thru it!!! and get the frame powder coat matte black.. =]... how many hours would it take a shop to do?? if i decided to pay 75$/hr would it just be worth it to have them do it? then take all the silver pieces(frame and I forget the rest of what you guys are saying ]... so powder coat is the way to go 100% right? for that nice matte black look?? i would like matte black frame, with that really deep dark black(anyone know what color im talking about, maybe satin black??)... Or how long would it take me to do, guessing.. If i have oem manual and can follow directions every step of way... some ideas would be great guys.. Matte black frame(+other silver pieces), satin black(or a dark black color to go with the matte black), and red accents all over to make the bike matte black, satin(or whatever color) and a nice dark red =].. that is what I want to do.. and very soon am able to.. I go back to work full time monday.. so within 2 weeks will have the cash... I would like opinions on next upgrades please!!!! ESPECIALLY MY DASH.. its in km .. and firestorm fenders(and the front fender is cracked under right side, any great colorless fenders I can use to have someone paint it custom the way I want it?? everyone gogogo help the squid shane out
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It'll take a long time to do the frame if it's your first time through, depending on how much free time you have and how quickly you can access/gather tools.

You have to take the forks and wheels off (and if you're doing this, it's a good idea to replace the steering bearings and wheel bearings like you were mentioning). I don't mean this in a bad way, but you could break something along the way, or find something broken. If you're like me-and you seem to show symptoms-you probably will want to clean everything as you're putting it back together. Especially if you have a nice new powdercoated frame, it's hard to put dirty old parts back on!

One quick note before I forget: You won't be able to get a pure matte coat with powdercoat. In a nutshell, what they do is electrostatically charge a powder and then spray it on a grounded frame. So you have this frame with a bunch of dust on it that is attached via static electricity. They then bake the frame and all the dust melts together to form a thick and durable bond to the frame. So the result of this is sort of a "melted" surface- they can get a satin finish with it but because it's smooth it won't be pure "matte" like a chalkboard. If you have time look for a shop in your area and they'll have a bunch of samples for you to peruse...

If you're doing a simple motor swap like smokinjoe just did a couple of months ago, you can do it in a weekend, but stripping the frame is more involved, and IMO would be be best use of your time if you planned on more upgrades as you go.

So I'd say that you have a couple of options... go with the frame that you have and use your bike for riding, or strip it down and bond with it and use it as a learning tool and ride in a few months. Depending on your garage situation and if you live up north, maybe do it as a winter project?

I've heard of people polishing aluminum with steel or brass wool, then applying a wax to keep grime and prints off. You could look into that as something to do with the frame still on...?
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Oh, and I'd re-drill that hole in the slide. Changing needles to fix that will just cause problems elsewhere!
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Oh, and I'd re-drill that hole in the slide. Changing needles to fix that will just cause problems elsewhere!
okay thanks for info... and about slide, hawk said something about having 1 slide front 1 slide rear covered for a certain upgrade needle.. thats why i was asking if 1 in each slide and upgraded needle is better than front slide closed with stock needles

im in las vegas... I can work any day any night round the year.. =].. may get a little hot out, but garages are nice yes.if 3rd world countries can do it, I can do it mate .. anyways im just now getting to ur pictures.. been a long day... gonna check out everything u wrote... i am very interested in doing the matte black replacing silver... is satin black really the closest they come?? i sware i've seen matte black on bikes... even the cbr when they had the new tail had black on matte black didn't they?? thats what i really want.. black on black with red =].. it should be possible.. i mean anything is possible, right?

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Originally Posted by 7moore7 View Post
Oh, and I'd re-drill that hole in the slide. Changing needles to fix that will just cause problems elsewhere!
guys at bike shop have my bike now.. im going to ask them to re-drill the whole on the slide on the rear correct? thanks for all the info .. btw does someone have a rough estimate how long it would take to strip my bike down to the frame for powder coat if it is by a professional mechanic(i mean really professional, the guy who does dale keiffer's bike.. so how many hours? anyone please... because I MAY be able to do this within next 2 weeks after my hid projection .. thanks so much everyone!!! god you guys are all awesome ^^

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Well... I'm pretty far from a pro, but I do know my bikes backwards and forwards... And I can strip a Superhawk to parts in 2-3 hours... And have it back to running form in another 3-4... I did that a while back when I was moving engine parts around in different frames... Or rather, I was supposed to do that, and I ended up going to a trackday the next day, which meant putting the bike together on a tight schedule...
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Well... I'm pretty far from a pro, but I do know my bikes backwards and forwards... And I can strip a Superhawk to parts in 2-3 hours... And have it back to running form in another 3-4... I did that a while back when I was moving engine parts around in different frames... Or rather, I was supposed to do that, and I ended up going to a trackday the next day, which meant putting the bike together on a tight schedule...
Haha.awesome...u are one of the most knowledgable guys I've seen tweety..don't flatter urself!!!...thanks for the close enough quote...I wouldn't mind paying 300-400$ to get my frames off n do everything all at once...
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Powdercoat can get pretty matte, just not all the way... IMO it's more of a professional matte look rather than a "primer" look. Just google images of matte black powder coat and you'll see. It just can't have that 1990's civic with chrome tail lights and garage rattle can matte kind of texture...
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Also what is powder coat on the frame??okay I will remove frame..I want a matte black color on them to go with the black painted bike...is the powder coat that rough looking paint?cuz that's what I'm going for...and is it hard to do myself??thanks again saige and everyone else...as always so nice and helpful to a new guy with no bike experience...thank you
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Hey Shane huge undertaking if your not used to wrenching. Maybe you could keep an eye on classified here or ebay/amazon and pick up a frame/subframe/swing arm and have them powder coated. Scout for deals. That way your bike wont be down so long. These are torquey relatively light bikes. Hope you ride with your brights on and keep a close eye on your mirrors. Ride paranoid like everyone is out to hit you or cut you off
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