Will VFR/VTR shift levers swap?
01-23-2012, 02:58 PM
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Will VFR/VTR shift levers swap?
Will the shift levers of the two interchange?
I've been reading another members thread about the custom shift levers he makes, and got to thinking....so is it possible?
Thanks!
I've been reading another members thread about the custom shift levers he makes, and got to thinking....so is it possible?
Thanks!
01-23-2012, 05:42 PM
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I've got a shift lever from a 1994 VFR750 on my 01 VTR1000F. It's ugly compared to the stock item. I like the reversed shift pattern. Someone on the forum (I appreciate how unhelpful a comment that is.) used one from a VFR800. It's much prettier.
01-24-2012, 09:33 AM
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Great, thanks for that info...in retrospect I don't think I would be a fan of the shift reversal.
And as for the distance increase...wonder how it compares to that one guys custom lever...he said it was 3/4 in longer...doesn't seem like much to me
And as for the distance increase...wonder how it compares to that one guys custom lever...he said it was 3/4 in longer...doesn't seem like much to me
01-24-2012, 11:34 AM
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Here's what I said a few years ago about the shift lever change:
JimTT suggested putting on a shift lever from a 94 VFR750 to reverse the shift pattern on a VTR. Thought I’d give it a try.
The short answer is that it fits and it works.
The tip of the gear change lever is tucked in about an inch from the stock position. Clearance between the gear change lever and the foot peg bracket is minimal. I was able to adjust the position of the lever so it doesn’t foul anything but others may not find the position to be acceptable. I think more pressure on the lever is needed to change gears but I didn’t do a back to back comparison. I’ve also got rather small feet, size 8 1/2. (shows what foot binding can do) People with bigger feet might have problems. The VFR lever is also ugly. Unlike the lovely cast piece on the stock VTR, the VFR lever is painted steel and it’s connected to the part that fits on the shifter shaft with a particularly hideous weld.
There wasn’t anything wrong with the stock shift arrangement on my VTR. There wasn’t a lot of play in it and, if I missed a shift, it was the rider’s fault rather than the machine’s. I find now that up shifts, especially first to second, are more positive because I’m pushing down on the shift lever. I haven’t missed a shift since I made the change but sometimes I do a flawless gear change to a gear I don’t want. The retraining process isn’t over. It’s amazing how much more attention I have to pay to push the lever in the right direction than I had to pay with the stock arrangement.
JimTT suggested putting on a shift lever from a 94 VFR750 to reverse the shift pattern on a VTR. Thought I’d give it a try.
The short answer is that it fits and it works.
The tip of the gear change lever is tucked in about an inch from the stock position. Clearance between the gear change lever and the foot peg bracket is minimal. I was able to adjust the position of the lever so it doesn’t foul anything but others may not find the position to be acceptable. I think more pressure on the lever is needed to change gears but I didn’t do a back to back comparison. I’ve also got rather small feet, size 8 1/2. (shows what foot binding can do) People with bigger feet might have problems. The VFR lever is also ugly. Unlike the lovely cast piece on the stock VTR, the VFR lever is painted steel and it’s connected to the part that fits on the shifter shaft with a particularly hideous weld.
There wasn’t anything wrong with the stock shift arrangement on my VTR. There wasn’t a lot of play in it and, if I missed a shift, it was the rider’s fault rather than the machine’s. I find now that up shifts, especially first to second, are more positive because I’m pushing down on the shift lever. I haven’t missed a shift since I made the change but sometimes I do a flawless gear change to a gear I don’t want. The retraining process isn’t over. It’s amazing how much more attention I have to pay to push the lever in the right direction than I had to pay with the stock arrangement.
01-24-2012, 12:17 PM
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That kina makes sense though...conventional wisdom an training dictate 1 down, 5 up, you must retrain your brain.
And your saying it doesn't extend things any for say, a size 11? That was the one thing I liked over the VTR...I didn't have to wiggle my foot much to shift.
And your saying it doesn't extend things any for say, a size 11? That was the one thing I liked over the VTR...I didn't have to wiggle my foot much to shift.
01-24-2012, 01:49 PM
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01-24-2012, 02:43 PM
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So your saying that the 800 fi version lever is longer, as compared to stock?
If that's the case it may warrant more investigation....
01-25-2012, 08:40 AM
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Well either I'm very confused, or some of you are...
As far as I know, the reason for the reverse patter when using a VFR lever is that it's directly mounted on the axle, with no linkage...
This means that since it's pivoting at the output axle, and not like the stock one, pivoting at the peg, that means it will be pointing back towards the peg... Because if the lever is pointed forward, you'd need size 20 too operate it...
This would mean that the longer the arm, the smaller the space for the foot... Meaning the longer arm of the 800 would actually mean less space?Or is the 800 actually shorter, giving a larger footspace?
Or am I missing something here?
As far as I know, the reason for the reverse patter when using a VFR lever is that it's directly mounted on the axle, with no linkage...
This means that since it's pivoting at the output axle, and not like the stock one, pivoting at the peg, that means it will be pointing back towards the peg... Because if the lever is pointed forward, you'd need size 20 too operate it...
This would mean that the longer the arm, the smaller the space for the foot... Meaning the longer arm of the 800 would actually mean less space?Or is the 800 actually shorter, giving a larger footspace?
Or am I missing something here?
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01-26-2012, 09:11 AM
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Well either I'm very confused, or some of you are...
As far as I know, the reason for the reverse patter when using a VFR lever is that it's directly mounted on the axle, with no linkage...
This means that since it's pivoting at the output axle, and not like the stock one, pivoting at the peg, that means it will be pointing back towards the peg... Because if the lever is pointed forward, you'd need size 20 too operate it...
This would mean that the longer the arm, the smaller the space for the foot... Meaning the longer arm of the 800 would actually mean less space?Or is the 800 actually shorter, giving a larger footspace?
Or am I missing something here?
As far as I know, the reason for the reverse patter when using a VFR lever is that it's directly mounted on the axle, with no linkage...
This means that since it's pivoting at the output axle, and not like the stock one, pivoting at the peg, that means it will be pointing back towards the peg... Because if the lever is pointed forward, you'd need size 20 too operate it...
This would mean that the longer the arm, the smaller the space for the foot... Meaning the longer arm of the 800 would actually mean less space?Or is the 800 actually shorter, giving a larger footspace?
Or am I missing something here?
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