Single Radiator???
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Single Radiator???
I have searched and searched and have not found any answers to what single radiator will work. I know that there has been discussion on what might work but I cant find anything about what has actually worked. Would just using one of the side radiators and relocating it to the front work for proper cooling? If that wont work then what other radiator will, providing proper cooling and fitment? Im running a naked setup so the fairings are not an issue. I know that the oil cooler has to be relocated which is fine, just want to know what will be the easiest replacement.....Thanks for the help.
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You may not need to look far for a manageable solution albeit many would perhaps find this approach questionable in relation to adequate cooling.
I guess climate & how/where you ride are relevant variables however eg: city riding vs open road
Either way, check this link it's a start
http://www.superstreetbike.com/featu...elocation.html
I guess climate & how/where you ride are relevant variables however eg: city riding vs open road
Either way, check this link it's a start
http://www.superstreetbike.com/featu...elocation.html
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A radiator from a Suzuki SV1000 looks to be a good option.....hose connections, filler neck locations and mount tabs all seem to be compatible with using one on a VTR.
As yet I haven't found an SV radiator cheep enough to get going on the swap yet, but that will be my target donor.
Rex
As yet I haven't found an SV radiator cheep enough to get going on the swap yet, but that will be my target donor.
Rex
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I've seen one single vtr one relocated up front in person, there is room with the oil cooler gone however if the suspension is fully compressed it hits the front fender, so it needed to be trimmed. other than that it fits and cools fine from what I was told first hand, and you're probably still running a mix of coolant and water, I'd reccommend draining and putting just a bit of coolant in there with almost all water if you're not exposed to sub-freezing temps.
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Yes sv650/sv1000. but needs modification. Not mine, This is from Ozfirestorm-the KILRV build.
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Delkevic-Suzu...item414f0fcda4
Ozfirestorm link, http://ozfirestorm.proboards.com/ind...d=11017&page=7
http://cgi.ebay.com.au/Delkevic-Suzu...item414f0fcda4
Ozfirestorm link, http://ozfirestorm.proboards.com/ind...d=11017&page=7
Last edited by hondavtr1000sp2; May 4, 2010 at 10:26 PM. Reason: Added link
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I've relocated my RHS rad to the front. Unfortunately, I haven't run the thing yet.
I made up a bracket that uses the stock rad mounts and had an outlet moved.
The stock LHS hose is shortened a fraction, and I found a joiner to connect 2 hoses for the RHS connection. It holds coolant, but as I said, haven't run it.
I wedged 3 x 80mm computer case fans in behind the rad and at the moment I reckon it may just clear. Depends on how much panic is applied.
Just waiting for my JD shock to arrive and then I can chuck it on and we'll see how it goes.
Hopefully, I'll have something more in a few days.....
BBB
I made up a bracket that uses the stock rad mounts and had an outlet moved.
The stock LHS hose is shortened a fraction, and I found a joiner to connect 2 hoses for the RHS connection. It holds coolant, but as I said, haven't run it.
I wedged 3 x 80mm computer case fans in behind the rad and at the moment I reckon it may just clear. Depends on how much panic is applied.
Just waiting for my JD shock to arrive and then I can chuck it on and we'll see how it goes.
Hopefully, I'll have something more in a few days.....
BBB
Last edited by BBB; May 4, 2010 at 01:25 AM.
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That SV650/1000 looks like it will get demolished when the suspension compresses for sure. There is a member in here who had one for a CBR that was curved inwards, it was nice and big but he still had to trim the top and bottom three rows of fins for clearance around the frame above the rad and the fender below...
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Why do you recommend mainly water?
A 50/50 mix of coolant and H2O has a higher boiling point than water.
Rex
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And most of your boiling point increase comes from the system being a closed pressurized loop and not from the antifreeze. (though that does have some effect)
If you are in a place where you do experience freezing weather, you need antifreeze. If however your bike doesn't get exposed to that, water will do better.
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^yep what he said, better cooling, coolant is only there for the reduction of freezing, "and a higher boiling point" like you said. Out bikes run intermediately hot, but it will not boil from what I've learned. I actually use water wetter in my hawk as well as my s/c car's intercooler and main coolant system, love how it cools because I can monitor it in my car.
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https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...ead.php?t=7221
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Im glad that on almost every post someone can still find a way to be an a**hole. That being said, the underseat mod is something that I dont think i want to take on. Fantastic idea but not something im looking to do right now. So now is there any more info on a stock rad being used alone?
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Go measure the dimensions of 1 rad on your bike, and then go look at replacement radiators for other bikes with single rads (such as a vtx like used, or even an sv650) on ebay compare some dimensions and whala!
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Here's a scan of a drawing a friend made of his SV1000 radiator.
I'm not sure, but I think the "S" version is different. My buddy has the nekkid version.
A VTR radiator has a core that is 1" thick, the SV is double that.
Rex
I'm not sure, but I think the "S" version is different. My buddy has the nekkid version.
A VTR radiator has a core that is 1" thick, the SV is double that.
Rex
Last edited by bjorn toulouse; May 4, 2010 at 08:37 PM. Reason: speelage
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Ok so it looks as if the SV is what has become the way to go, but im on a non-bike budget, wifes orders, so looks as if I would have to use the stock rad. I was looking at the front end and visually I cannot see how it would work with all the hoses. It could also be that I didnt look close enough, so has anyone done this and if so are there pics of the work.
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Maverick did it with a single stock rad:
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...naked+radiator
(again a quick search found that)
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...naked+radiator
(again a quick search found that)
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On most forums they have the "no dumping" rule on for sale stuff. If you dont like the price, just move on. We should have this with all posts. If you dont want to give a real answer, JUST DONT RESPOND. Why take the effort to respond with "do a search"????? OBVIOUSLY this guy is posting a question, & the whole basis of the forum is to help each other (I think). So maybe either give a coherent useful answer or just dont respond.
BTW.......HRC makes a race kit for the RC51 that includes a front rad to replace the side ones. But if you wife finds out you sprung for such a unit you may be in for a beating so maybe not a good solution. There is precious little room on these bikes. To help cooling I put a ZX-7 oil cooler on it which helped alot.(cheap to buy & twice the cooling)
BTW.......HRC makes a race kit for the RC51 that includes a front rad to replace the side ones. But if you wife finds out you sprung for such a unit you may be in for a beating so maybe not a good solution. There is precious little room on these bikes. To help cooling I put a ZX-7 oil cooler on it which helped alot.(cheap to buy & twice the cooling)
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On most forums they have the "no dumping" rule on for sale stuff. If you dont like the price, just move on. We should have this with all posts. If you dont want to give a real answer, JUST DONT RESPOND. Why take the effort to respond with "do a search"????? OBVIOUSLY this guy is posting a question, & the whole basis of the forum is to help each other (I think). So maybe either give a coherent useful answer or just dont respond.
I may come off poorly, but I am trying to help people to help themselves.
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I think those who have done it have had to make their own brackets etc.
It shouldn't be too hard, just get some aluminum strapping from a hardware store, that stuff cuts with a hacksaw really easily and can be bent into shape with a vice and hammer..
Between that and some generic hoses (auto parts store should have that) you should be able to make it work.
I wouldn't try it here in Phoenix for fear of overheating in the summer, but front mount radiators get more air than the side mount ones so those who have done this seem to get away with it.
It shouldn't be too hard, just get some aluminum strapping from a hardware store, that stuff cuts with a hacksaw really easily and can be bent into shape with a vice and hammer..
Between that and some generic hoses (auto parts store should have that) you should be able to make it work.
I wouldn't try it here in Phoenix for fear of overheating in the summer, but front mount radiators get more air than the side mount ones so those who have done this seem to get away with it.
