Does it wheelie in second without the clutch?
04-30-2005, 05:26 PM
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Does it wheelie in second without the clutch?
I am 220 pounds, obese in other words and I ride a 98 SH. It power wheelies in 1st butI cannot get it up in 2nd without the clutch. Is your bike the same? Is it weight related? My friends has a TLR that wheelies in second no problem. But he is about 50 pounds lighter.
05-01-2005, 10:08 PM
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I've got mine down 1 in the front (15t sprocket) and I haven't figured out sit-downs in second yet. It's right up with the clutch, but I can't figure it out on throttle. FYI, I'm 6'0" 200lbs, so I'm in your weight class as opposed to your TL riding buddy's. It will lift in 2nd if you're doing stand-up wheelies, I let a friend ride mine and watched him do it. I can't do stand-ups due to a buggered knee from my wreck last summer (I probably could, but don't trust the knee completely yet), but like I said, I have seen them done. Maybe our OZ VTR_Stunter can shed some light on this subject...
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05-02-2005, 05:16 AM
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Re: Does it wheelie in second without the clutch?
Yeah, I tried man. On second and gunning the gas while the suspension is compressed. Nothing happens, it doesn't even lift a little bit. It goes right up in first, but not in second. It is frustrating to see the TLr that weighs a lot more and goes up so much easier.
What do the stunters have to say about that?
What do the stunters have to say about that?
05-02-2005, 08:39 AM
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Re: Does it wheelie in second without the clutch?
With a 15t, I get unintentional 2nd gear wheelies after coming down in 1st and shifting (I'm pathetic at wheelies and don't try to shift in the air). But that doesn't count does it since I'm using the clutch during the shift?
05-02-2005, 09:25 AM
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the TLR is also rated around 118+hp, that might have something to do with it as well. I've had no luck in 2nd but, as others have found, my friend can manage it with a little boune-then sit back down-approach.
05-02-2005, 10:13 AM
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Re: Does it wheelie in second without the clutch?
I have had mine come just enough off the ground to lose steering in 2nd under hard acceleration, and I'm about 210lb. Though, Ive never had it feel like it was going to really come up like mad. I kind of like the controllability of it as I am not into the crazy stuff (well, other than speed. . .)
05-03-2005, 04:23 PM
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Re: Does it wheelie in second without the clutch?
You won't power it up in 2nd unless you move your *** to the very back of the seat & give her a bit of a bounce.
Mines 1 tooth down on the front & won't lift under power either.
Clutch it...its better for the bike as well!
Mines 1 tooth down on the front & won't lift under power either.
Clutch it...its better for the bike as well!
05-03-2005, 04:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Monomaster
You won't power it up in 2nd unless you move your *** to the very back of the seat & give her a bit of a bounce.
Mines 1 tooth down on the front & won't lift under power either.
Clutch it...its better for the bike as well!
Mines 1 tooth down on the front & won't lift under power either.
Clutch it...its better for the bike as well!
, clutches arent THAT expensive... lol .
05-03-2005, 05:36 PM
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Re: Does it wheelie in second without the clutch?
well, my bike is stock as far as sproket sizes, and i weigh in at a pretty hefty 240lbs. First gear the wheelies are uncontrollable, very hard to balance for anything over 500ft. Second gear comes up sitting down with the clutch really nicely, and can ride wheelies like that for miles. I can get it to come up to full balence in second with out the clutch, but it takes alot of effort. Ya got to get on it super hard, wait till about id say 5g, snap off, then tug and yank the throttle open. Its not easy by anymeans, but it deffinetly is doable, even with my fat as and stock gearing (although, i can wheelie just about anything. Everything from our 1973 cb175 to my bros 1978 cb400, which wheelies really nice btw). In second, while standing up, all you have to down is bounce a little and give some throttle and it comes right up. In third gear its kinda difficult to get it up also, but its easy once you get used to it. In third you have to give it all the throttle, stand up, than kinda of bounce the bike as your clutching it. Ive found that anything under about 95 is doable as far as pulling it up into a balanced wheelie. Than when up in a wheelie you can go to about 110 before your at the end of third, or just ride it for miles while people gauk
05-03-2005, 05:41 PM
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Re: Does it wheelie in second without the clutch?
Philipian Ricer,
what landing strips do you ride on man! sheesh... i cant get a straightaway longer than 2 miles without a cop. lol. unless im ridin in amish country... but though horse pies on the road will mess ya up. like a banana peel.
what landing strips do you ride on man! sheesh... i cant get a straightaway longer than 2 miles without a cop. lol. unless im ridin in amish country... but though horse pies on the road will mess ya up. like a banana peel.
05-03-2005, 05:58 PM
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Re: Does it wheelie in second without the clutch?
Stupid squid question but...
Is it easier to learn to bring it up while sitting or standing?
I can pull nice wheel skimmers comming out of corners but I have never spent the time to learn to really bring the front up.
Is it easier to learn to bring it up while sitting or standing?
I can pull nice wheel skimmers comming out of corners but I have never spent the time to learn to really bring the front up.
05-03-2005, 06:16 PM
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Sit downs are much easier to start off with. In a stand up wheelie, you have to pretty much get it to balancing point right away, and not have to many throttle adjustments. With a stand up wheelie, it is alot more frightning (with that comes more of an adrenaline rush though, haha) it is much easier to get it up, it is much easier to SEE, it is much easier to manover the bike around (ie, switching lanes, going around not tooo sharp of a corner). With a sit down wheelie, you don't really have to get it to full balance to ride it decently. But when you do get it to full balance you can't see AT ALL. You have to scoot your butt to one side and poke your head out the other to keep the bike going streight while still being able to see. Don't take doing wheelies lightly at all, if you really want to do them, take your time, and be careful. This **** is really dangerous.
05-03-2005, 07:28 PM
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Re: Does it wheelie in second without the clutch?
Clutch it, doesn't hurt the clutch at all if you are light with it.
I can pull mine up in 2nd and 3rd with just the slightest pull of the clutch. You of course are running about 70mph and around 5k rpm best i recall when doing this is third (not that i care or look at the tach, it's all about the feel of the engine pull and power). I rarely get obove 10k as the dyno runs pretty much show the power drops off at 9.5k anyway.
1st gear wheelies are wickedly bad on the head bearings, 2nd and 3rd gear wheelies allow for a softer power landing and easier on the head bearings.
If you go her jetting at the preferred air/fuel mixture ratio she will come up in third. At least mine will
Ohhhh..... Stock gearing, original spockets and chain
I can pull mine up in 2nd and 3rd with just the slightest pull of the clutch. You of course are running about 70mph and around 5k rpm best i recall when doing this is third (not that i care or look at the tach, it's all about the feel of the engine pull and power). I rarely get obove 10k as the dyno runs pretty much show the power drops off at 9.5k anyway.
1st gear wheelies are wickedly bad on the head bearings, 2nd and 3rd gear wheelies allow for a softer power landing and easier on the head bearings.
If you go her jetting at the preferred air/fuel mixture ratio she will come up in third. At least mine will
Ohhhh..... Stock gearing, original spockets and chain
05-03-2005, 09:17 PM
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Re: Does it wheelie in second without the clutch?
take it from a sports fan and cleveland local .... this **** can be dangerous... see link ----> http://www.wkyc.com/news/news_fullstory.asp?id=34316
and to think the Browns may have gone somewhere with him. . .
and to think the Browns may have gone somewhere with him. . .
05-04-2005, 12:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Monomaster
You won't power it up in 2nd unless you move your *** to the very back of the seat & give her a bit of a bounce.
Mines 1 tooth down on the front & won't lift under power either.
Clutch it...its better for the bike as well!
Mines 1 tooth down on the front & won't lift under power either.
Clutch it...its better for the bike as well!
, clutches arent THAT expensive... lol .$250 against $1500 for a gearbox...
05-04-2005, 05:38 AM
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Re: Does it wheelie in second without the clutch?
Tankslappers suck. Here's a tip: get your suspension set up correctly (Front preload HIGH, rear preload LOW, due to soft front springs) or the thing being nose down will cause headshake issues. I figured this one out the hard way...
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Note: SHs are not known to be prone to tankslappers, and now that I've got my suspension set correctly, I don't think it's much of an issue, but then again, I'm paranoid and sure as hell don't want to wreck again due to headshake...
05-04-2005, 09:28 AM
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Re: Does it wheelie in second without the clutch?
yeah, ive got a Shindy steering damper. Haha, its CHEAP, but it gets the job done. I was riding one day and i accelerated in second while going over this little bridge, and it went it to a pretty nasty tank slapper. Went home and ordered it that night, haha.
05-04-2005, 04:47 PM
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Re: Does it wheelie in second without the clutch?
Nice Scotts steering damper...did you have to do any mods to get it to fit or was it model specific!
I thought the steering head type were for dirt bikes...
I like it, well done!
I thought the steering head type were for dirt bikes...
I like it, well done!
05-04-2005, 08:16 PM
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Bolted right up. Bought it and the bike specific adapter from kneedraggers.com. FedEx lost a piece of my shipment, and when I called Kneedraggers they had another one overnighted. Great customer service. Well, there's my plug for the day...
-Jim
Edit: see site here: http://www.kneedraggers.com/details/22-SCOTTS-6
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Edit: see site here: http://www.kneedraggers.com/details/22-SCOTTS-6
05-05-2005, 09:32 PM
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Re: Does it wheelie in second without the clutch?
I have had a few tanks slappers in the past on various different bikes, but wasnt until I had one a little while back on my new storm that I honestly felt totally out of control of the bike and so close to being spat big time.
It only needs to happen once for you to realise the merits of a damper.
I have had the forks redone since the slapper and think this may have had something to do with it... if it even comes close to happening again a damper will be on its way.....
Scenario is identical to everyone else who has written about it on the storm... 2nd or 3rd gear under full acceleration and hitting a small bump... gets that sphincter puckerin for sure !!
It only needs to happen once for you to realise the merits of a damper.
I have had the forks redone since the slapper and think this may have had something to do with it... if it even comes close to happening again a damper will be on its way.....
Scenario is identical to everyone else who has written about it on the storm... 2nd or 3rd gear under full acceleration and hitting a small bump... gets that sphincter puckerin for sure !!
05-12-2005, 04:37 AM
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Re: Does it wheelie in second without the clutch?
Back to the wheelie question......It can wheelie 2nd without clutch, as I found out on tuesday night. I went to race another bike beside me on a roll in 2nd, brapp right off the ground without me pulling up or any clutch work. It actually took me by surprise twice. It probably helps when your around 155lbs.... 
05-12-2005, 10:07 AM
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Re: Does it wheelie in second without the clutch?
Monday night I was riding with nine others, two of them VTR's. We were on the freeway doing 100km's when the guy on the yellow one pops up to his balance point and takes it up to 140km's before setting the front down.
Holy ****
I didn't know our bikes could do that. So I talked to him at our stop and all he'd done to the motor was slip on's and a stage 1.
Holy ****
I didn't know our bikes could do that. So I talked to him at our stop and all he'd done to the motor was slip on's and a stage 1.
05-19-2005, 09:01 AM
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Re: Does it wheelie in second without the clutch?
two provisions on what i am about to say: 1)im under 200lbs, and 2)i have my 98 vtr geared a crap load lower... 1 down in front and 5 up in back.... anyway, i can just pull the throttle back in first or second and the front end comes up... in third, i actually have to put a lot of effort into it. pretty fun, except that all the oil goes to the back cylinder, so i burn oil as im up in a wheelie for a while. im wondering if anybody knows of a oil sender unit so i can get oil to goto the front cylinder, instead of just sitting in the back of the engine. thanks!
05-24-2005, 10:59 AM
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agreed on the stand up.stand up wheelies are much easier to control. if you get in trouble, just collapse your legs, lean forward, tap the back brake, close the throttle. granted, i have my bike geared one lower in front, and 5 up in back, but i can pull the bike up at about 3.5 grand in 1st, 2nd or 3rd, no clutch. be careful out there. wheelies arent for kids!
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