Considering converting Superhawk to Motard
10-23-2009, 03:31 PM
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Considering converting Superhawk to Motard
So I have it in my head that I want a motard. Problem? Tiny tank, tiny seat, and horrible on the highway. The SH has a slightly better range, you can always get a corbin, and it's far better at highways.
So what do I have in mind? I will be purchasing a full front fork setup off a dirtbike, or preferably off a Supermoto. However I am curious as to how strong the headstock on the SH is. I'm not going to be doing 100ft tabletops, but obviously a significantly longer fork is going to put more stress on it.
My largest concern right now is if the rear swingarm will work. I want to pull the stock SH rear wheel and replace it with a 5" supermoto wheel with a 160 rear tire. So the problem remains as to the shimming of the wheel. I need to have both the sprockets and the rear brake lined up correctly. This might be impossible with the SH stock swingarm, and I am also not sure of the travel capabilities of the stock swingarm. I am looking to get equal ride height, obviously, and close-to-equal travel out of the front and rear.
You think it's possible, or should I simply wait to get a Supermoto?
So what do I have in mind? I will be purchasing a full front fork setup off a dirtbike, or preferably off a Supermoto. However I am curious as to how strong the headstock on the SH is. I'm not going to be doing 100ft tabletops, but obviously a significantly longer fork is going to put more stress on it.
My largest concern right now is if the rear swingarm will work. I want to pull the stock SH rear wheel and replace it with a 5" supermoto wheel with a 160 rear tire. So the problem remains as to the shimming of the wheel. I need to have both the sprockets and the rear brake lined up correctly. This might be impossible with the SH stock swingarm, and I am also not sure of the travel capabilities of the stock swingarm. I am looking to get equal ride height, obviously, and close-to-equal travel out of the front and rear.
You think it's possible, or should I simply wait to get a Supermoto?
10-23-2009, 03:52 PM
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Is it possible? yes. Anything is possible if you throw enough money and/or fabrication skill at it. Is it realistic? No. a 470lb supermotard is sort of a contradiction in terms IMHO. If you're serious as cancer about the project. Do as much internet research as you can into the Honda Varadero. It was a Honda adventrure tourer along the lines of the BMW GS series, sharing the motor and VERY FEW other parts with the VTR1000F.
It never came to the USA, but may have gone to Canada...in which case parts might be easier to find. Otherwise, you're best bet is scour ebay in europe and hope the shipping fee's won't kill ya.
EDIT
Varadero had 6.1" travel front and 5.7" travel rear...
hell, you might want to just look into 'grey market' a Varadero into the USA and put your SH's plates on it. Might be cheaper, and sure would be alot faster.
It never came to the USA, but may have gone to Canada...in which case parts might be easier to find. Otherwise, you're best bet is scour ebay in europe and hope the shipping fee's won't kill ya.
EDIT
Varadero had 6.1" travel front and 5.7" travel rear...
hell, you might want to just look into 'grey market' a Varadero into the USA and put your SH's plates on it. Might be cheaper, and sure would be alot faster.
10-23-2009, 04:05 PM
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I'll bite, I had a WR426 supermoto that I traded straight across for my superhawk...
I think your success will rely as much on naming convention as it will on fabrication skill. A supermoto, by definition, is a motocross bike with slicks, and you'd probably have as good a shot converting a superhawk into a toyota van or a skateboard.
An "adventure" bike is a much closer proposition... see the honda varadero xl1000, w/ superhawk mill. The purpose of adventure bikes though, ostensibly, is to be able to ride fire roads and double track.
So you have a dirt bike converted to ride on a tight road race course with jumps, or a sport tourer that's been converted to ride on flat off-road with no jumps. The superhawk is naturally closer to one of these, so... What do you want your bike to do?
I think it could be great... but within the constraints of reasonableness. If you want to rip up broken pavement, gas it over train tracks, back into tight corners and tear around fire roads (maybe occasionally go up stairs?) you have my support. Get handlebars and call it a day, or supplement them with lengthier forks and shock. The head tube is not a concern in the least... but remember the swingarm pivots through the unsupported engine case, and if you get ambitious you could break the whole casting.
I think your success will rely as much on naming convention as it will on fabrication skill. A supermoto, by definition, is a motocross bike with slicks, and you'd probably have as good a shot converting a superhawk into a toyota van or a skateboard.
An "adventure" bike is a much closer proposition... see the honda varadero xl1000, w/ superhawk mill. The purpose of adventure bikes though, ostensibly, is to be able to ride fire roads and double track.
So you have a dirt bike converted to ride on a tight road race course with jumps, or a sport tourer that's been converted to ride on flat off-road with no jumps. The superhawk is naturally closer to one of these, so... What do you want your bike to do?
I think it could be great... but within the constraints of reasonableness. If you want to rip up broken pavement, gas it over train tracks, back into tight corners and tear around fire roads (maybe occasionally go up stairs?) you have my support. Get handlebars and call it a day, or supplement them with lengthier forks and shock. The head tube is not a concern in the least... but remember the swingarm pivots through the unsupported engine case, and if you get ambitious you could break the whole casting.
10-23-2009, 04:08 PM
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also... do you like screwing with your bike more, or riding it? Screwing with it's also fun, so I'm not going to tell you what to do based on the likelihood that this will be a time and money eating endeavor. Depends on your comfort level with making or modifying pieces of metal, I guess
10-23-2009, 04:15 PM
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10-23-2009, 04:28 PM
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10-23-2009, 06:45 PM
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I personally wouldn't do it.
But if i "had to"... I would just get dirtbike, fab up some engine mounts to except the vtr engine and remove the knobby tires and put some street tires on her and be done with it!
But if i "had to"... I would just get dirtbike, fab up some engine mounts to except the vtr engine and remove the knobby tires and put some street tires on her and be done with it!
10-23-2009, 08:44 PM
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I would have to disagree with you on that. If properly done when you fab your engine mounts, you will also be cutting, reshaping and gusseting the frame. Engine destroying the frame would be the least of my worries if i fabbed it up.
10-24-2009, 12:25 AM
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"hypermotard" is easy, see pic of modified monster in my post above. That's a hypermotard, in a nutshell... probably with more travel. A hypermotard is just a monster (same weight, hp, everything) with a little more travel and a funny seat/fairings.
Really, just ripping off the fairings and adding handlebars changes the character so much, you may as well start there. I'm converting my hawk into naked right now, pics forthcoming--
Really, just ripping off the fairings and adding handlebars changes the character so much, you may as well start there. I'm converting my hawk into naked right now, pics forthcoming--
10-24-2009, 09:55 PM
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I have liked the supermotard idea way before it became popular. I had an 1988 1000 hurricane and wanted to make it more capable of handling a lot of country roads around my area that were too rough for short travel sportbikes. These attributes make sense to me for the real world of rougher, dirtier, low traffic, secondary roads that are a blast to explore. I talked to Ohlins and they said it would be cost prohibitive so i ended up adding an xr650l instead of modding the 2 year old Hurricane, although a 130hp supermotard might have been interesting, huh. I say, if you're up for it, have at it. You may come up with something that surprises everyone and, most importantly, puts a permanent grin on your face.
10-24-2009, 10:42 PM
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I thought the point of a supermotard was how light they were. I don't think the hypermotard really qualifies as a supermotard. It kinda looks the part, but the hyper doesn't bleed dirt bike parts when rubbed on pavement. That said I think the hawk makes a great fighter, but because of its heft never a supermotard, even if it looks the part.
10-26-2009, 12:10 PM
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Do as much internet research as you can into the Honda Varadero. It was a Honda adventrure tourer along the lines of the BMW GS series, sharing the motor and VERY FEW other parts with the VTR1000F.
It never came to the USA, but may have gone to Canada...in which case parts might be easier to find. Otherwise, you're best bet is scour ebay in europe and hope the shipping fee's won't kill ya.
hell, you might want to just look into 'grey market' a Varadero into the USA and put your SH's plates on it. Might be cheaper, and sure would be alot faster.
It never came to the USA, but may have gone to Canada...in which case parts might be easier to find. Otherwise, you're best bet is scour ebay in europe and hope the shipping fee's won't kill ya.
hell, you might want to just look into 'grey market' a Varadero into the USA and put your SH's plates on it. Might be cheaper, and sure would be alot faster.
Possible alternative - if you want a big v-twin motard style; have you considered the Buell XB12x (or xt with big screen and monster luggage). I hear that they are discounted to fire-sale prices now that Buell is no more...
10-26-2009, 12:19 PM
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Hi from Vancouver BC - the Varadero is available in Canada. It's a poor second to the 'Zook DL / V-Strom, and neither of them is even close to the BMW GS' for compromise on / off road handling. Not to mention that bikes in Canada are considerably more expensive than they are in the US, which is why so many of us head South to buy.
Possible alternative - if you want a big v-twin motard style; have you considered the Buell XB12x (or xt with big screen and monster luggage). I hear that they are discounted to fire-sale prices now that Buell is no more...
Possible alternative - if you want a big v-twin motard style; have you considered the Buell XB12x (or xt with big screen and monster luggage). I hear that they are discounted to fire-sale prices now that Buell is no more...
I'd get a KTM 990 adventure first.
10-26-2009, 01:26 PM
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Bikes may be expensive up nortd, but they are cheaper than shipping from Europe! That's the only reason I mentioned it. Also, parts are available in Canada, which SHOULD be cheaper than shipping from across the pond.
10-26-2009, 02:36 PM
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You can convert to your hearts content, nut I think you'll end up with a Honda version of a Kawasaki Versys or Suzuki V-strom 1000.. Powerful not light weight adventure tourer that can go down a dirt road, but that’s about it. And that has merit if that’s what you’re going for.
New front end for sure, with an additional 6” of travel in the 49-51mm standard showa fork range. New swing arm and shock for increased ride height and travel. Remove all plastic. Fab a headlight and high fender assembly. 110/80x19 front 150/70x17 rear,and tires something like the Avon Distanzia or Michelin Anakee
New front end for sure, with an additional 6” of travel in the 49-51mm standard showa fork range. New swing arm and shock for increased ride height and travel. Remove all plastic. Fab a headlight and high fender assembly. 110/80x19 front 150/70x17 rear,and tires something like the Avon Distanzia or Michelin Anakee
10-26-2009, 03:22 PM
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The adventure hawk has been done: https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...ad.php?t=20164
And here is someone trying a supermoto conversion: http://www.vtr1000.org/phpBB3/viewto...105996#p105996
And here is someone trying a supermoto conversion: http://www.vtr1000.org/phpBB3/viewto...105996#p105996
10-26-2009, 03:56 PM
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Hmm, so maybe I'll try taking this one step at the time.
Obviously first comes the front end. I want to see if I can still use the front wheel off the Superhawk in the beginning stages, just to cut costs. Once I get further along, I might buy some Sumo spoked rims so I can be a true hooligan.
If anyone can identify this front end, let me know:
Obviously first comes the front end. I want to see if I can still use the front wheel off the Superhawk in the beginning stages, just to cut costs. Once I get further along, I might buy some Sumo spoked rims so I can be a true hooligan.
If anyone can identify this front end, let me know:
10-26-2009, 04:29 PM
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At the start of that thread on vtr1000.org he said they are KTM forks.. Beyond that I can't help you. I don't know what triple that is, or even which KTM that is off of.
But KTM makes some insane bikes, like the 950 super enduro.
http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/...r-ar73392.html
So I am sure they have a fork big enough for that.
But KTM makes some insane bikes, like the 950 super enduro.
http://www.topspeed.com/motorcycles/...r-ar73392.html
So I am sure they have a fork big enough for that.
10-26-2009, 05:12 PM
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Only offering the XB12x by comparison because (anecdotally) apparently HD dealers are moving then for $7k US. At that price, I'd be tempted. I've ridden the GS, the Varadero, the V-Strom and a few others and none of them handle that well on the road (and frankly are much too heavy to get into serious dirt), I haven't ridden the Buell but I doubt its that much better or worse. Talking speculatively, of course - if anyone wants to disagre from experience of all of them, be my guest.
10-26-2009, 05:35 PM
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A truly wise choice. If you have the $$$ - they are the best part of $20k including fees and taxes in Canada - don't know what they list for in the US?
Only offering the XB12x by comparison because (anecdotally) apparently HD dealers are moving then for $7k US. At that price, I'd be tempted. I've ridden the GS, the Varadero, the V-Strom and a few others and none of them handle that well on the road (and frankly are much too heavy to get into serious dirt), I haven't ridden the Buell but I doubt its that much better or worse. Talking speculatively, of course - if anyone wants to disagre from experience of all of them, be my guest.
Only offering the XB12x by comparison because (anecdotally) apparently HD dealers are moving then for $7k US. At that price, I'd be tempted. I've ridden the GS, the Varadero, the V-Strom and a few others and none of them handle that well on the road (and frankly are much too heavy to get into serious dirt), I haven't ridden the Buell but I doubt its that much better or worse. Talking speculatively, of course - if anyone wants to disagre from experience of all of them, be my guest.
10-26-2009, 05:51 PM
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10-26-2009, 08:05 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9i3p...video_response
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atigun_Pass
Not saying the RC51 is a bad bike IN ANY WAY - they're feckin awesome at what they do and I drool every time I see them. I am planning a ride up to Alaska next summer, though, and you can be damn sure that it won't be on my Superhawk! And for $7k, or anything less than $10k (or HALF the price of a GS) that Buell is a steal...
