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swaptrex Sep 5, 2010 09:33 PM

Chugging on highway... eventually died.
 
So I was cruising on the highway about 75mph, bike starts to run really rough like choke was on full or something. Eventually it just died, wouldn't start back up. Then the battery died quite fast from attempting to start. Does this sound like fuel starvation? If so, where should I start to look? Thanks in advance.

slabm7 Sep 5, 2010 09:42 PM

Do you know if it had spark or not? Have you replaced the R/R?

swaptrex Sep 5, 2010 09:44 PM

Yes, I forgot to add all the guages and lights still worked fine after even the battery died. R/R was just replaced about 3k miles ago. Started fine before I left, and rode for a good 10 min before it happened.

RWhisen Sep 6, 2010 07:27 AM

Have you done any work to your carbs lately? Have you had the tank off?

swaptrex Sep 6, 2010 09:36 AM

Haven't done anything with the carbs lately, had the tank off about 3k miles ago.

8541Hawk Sep 6, 2010 10:29 AM

The first thing I would check is the diaphragm in the petcock. Sounds like it might have split. ;)

wyldryce Sep 6, 2010 04:28 PM

Agreed, it definitely sounds like fuel supply one way or the other...did it sound like it was cutting out on one cylinder? Did you try popping the cap on the tank before you restarted?

swaptrex Sep 6, 2010 08:33 PM


Originally Posted by wyldryce (Post 280321)
Agreed, it definitely sounds like fuel supply one way or the other...did it sound like it was cutting out on one cylinder? Did you try popping the cap on the tank before you restarted?

Yes, that's exactly what it sounded like. No, I'm gonna try that trick as soon as I get the battery charged back up. Thanks so far guys.

rafbo Sep 7, 2010 08:24 AM

Mine use to do that but only if I was riding in the rain. I would open the gas cap to release the pressure in the tank and the bike would start right up, but then die again after a few miles. Until I could get out of the rain, when the bike would die, I would pull the clutch in, coast, open the cap, release the clutch, the bike would start right up and keep going. When I was able to find a good place to stop, I removed the tank and found that a drain hose coming out of the bottom of the tank was clogged so I cut the end off and blew some air in it (bubbles came out inside the tank). Problem solved.

swaptrex Sep 7, 2010 07:09 PM


Originally Posted by rafbo (Post 280353)
Mine use to do that but only if I was riding in the rain. I would open the gas cap to release the pressure in the tank and the bike would start right up, but then die again after a few miles. Until I could get out of the rain, when the bike would die, I would pull the clutch in, coast, open the cap, release the clutch, the bike would start right up and keep going. When I was able to find a good place to stop, I removed the tank and found that a drain hose coming out of the bottom of the tank was clogged so I cut the end off and blew some air in it (bubbles came out inside the tank). Problem solved.

strong first post, thank you sir. :cool:

Byrdman Sep 7, 2010 08:13 PM

I have a similar problem!

imp Sep 7, 2010 11:33 PM

one more vote for torn petcock vacuum diaphragm, or misplaced petcock vacuum line or both (one begetting the other). After "PVLIR" mine went some few thousand miles before the PVD tore, exact same symptoms, and you say the tank was off 3k mi ago~

jsteel Sep 8, 2010 01:38 AM

thanks; mine just did it two mornings ago on the way to work. It was like the worst rain I have been out in on it , I dont mind the water and was tootling along at about 120-130kph and after about 15-20min from home it played up the first time. I made sure trhe choke was right in and carried on and as stated the motor stopped completely , came to a rolling stop pushed the starter button and off i went again for about the same amount of time.Let it dry during day rode it home and it hasnt missed a beat since,will try your fix this weekend and let you know what i find.

swaptrex Sep 10, 2010 04:38 PM

For those saying open the cap while moving, how in the world did you do that if the key won't come out while it's open? I assume all hawks are like that.

Fish Sep 10, 2010 11:16 PM

2 keys

Fish Sep 10, 2010 11:18 PM

Does that win the prize for the shortest post ever?

Fish

VTRsurfer Sep 10, 2010 11:30 PM

no

8541Hawk Sep 11, 2010 12:10 AM

:shock:

inderocker Sep 11, 2010 12:31 AM


Originally Posted by swaptrex (Post 280811)
For those saying open the cap while moving, how in the world did you do that if the key won't come out while it's open? I assume all hawks are like that.

Push on the gasket on the underside of the gas cap while turning the key counterclockwise. ;)

Did you top off at the gas station bofore you had the issue?

Wicky Sep 11, 2010 07:18 AM

To let air in preventing vacuum lock and lose surplus weight simply drill holes in the gas tank...

swaptrex Sep 11, 2010 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by Wicky (Post 280862)
To let air in preventing vacuum lock and lose surplus weight simply drill holes in the gas tank...

send me pics of how you did yours ;) I obviously know that 2 keys would work lol but my key won't come out when it's open, and I only have 1 key.

I'm pretty sure I topped off the day before.

Tweety Sep 11, 2010 01:02 PM

Well... If it's all the same to you, killing the engine and opening the lid will have the exact same result... Ie the sound of breaking a vaccum and then the bike fires up again... But that could just be to hard... I mean, stopping and opening the tank lid seems so damned complicated...

Oh, and if you prefer not to have the problem in the first place, refrain from topping the tank to where the gas hits the lower lip of the lid...

nath981 Sep 11, 2010 07:06 PM


Originally Posted by jsteel (Post 280455)
thanks; mine just did it two mornings ago on the way to work. It was like the worst rain I have been out in on it , I dont mind the water and was tootling along at about 120-130kph and after about 15-20min from home it played up the first time. I made sure trhe choke was right in and carried on and as stated the motor stopped completely , came to a rolling stop pushed the starter button and off i went again for about the same amount of time.Let it dry during day rode it home and it hasnt missed a beat since,will try your fix this weekend and let you know what i find.

welcome aboard jsteel.

while you're checking around, check the coil wire connection for wetness. If it is dry spray some water on it to see if it misses or stalls. Pull the boot back and see if it is wet or looks like it's been wet. My XR650L was stuttering, stalling, barely running in the rain. If it stalled it would start right back up. When it wasn't raining it ran perfectly. I even started it up and sprayed the hose all over the front while it was running and nothing. As I was checking things over I noticed that the rubber boot on the coil wire connection was a little larger than the wire. I pulled it off and it was very wet. Evidently, water was running down the coil wire and into the rubber boot and causing stall and/or miss.

swaptrex Sep 11, 2010 09:46 PM

tried starting it today, wouldn't fire. I guess I'll start getting the tank off, what should I mainly look for? Do I have to take the petcock apart?

nath981 Sep 12, 2010 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by swaptrex (Post 280905)
tried starting it today, wouldn't fire. I guess I'll start getting the tank off, what should I mainly look for? Do I have to take the petcock apart?

this a situation where you need to raise your tank(use small strap to raise front is great for investigating-search for pics) and start checking things out(helps to have a manual or download).

http://www.superhawk996.net/Honda_VT...ice_Manual.pdf

I believe you can check the diaphram function before you remove because i tried to get mine out just to check the screen and gave up to keep from breaking it. Hopefully something obvious like a hose off.

swaptrex Sep 12, 2010 03:51 PM

Well I lifted the tank, the line to the petcock is correct. So, is it most likely the diaphragm? How do I check the function without taking it out? Didn't see anything in the manual about it.

Acecool Sep 12, 2010 04:17 PM

Sounds like one of the vacuum lines came off the tank. How many hoses are connected to the tank (should be 2), and how many are connected to the petcock (should be 2 large, and 1 small on the back side of it)

swaptrex Sep 15, 2010 03:32 PM

All the lines appear good, plus I've put over 3k miles on it with the lines that way. However, one line (large) going into the bottom of the tank was cracked near the nipple so I fixed that. That didn't fix the starting issue though.

So would you guys recommend the next step to be taking the petcock apart? It just looks like a bitch to remove (hopefully not) and I want to look at everything else before that.

nath981 Sep 16, 2010 05:25 AM


Originally Posted by swaptrex (Post 281319)
All the lines appear good, plus I've put over 3k miles on it with the lines that way. However, one line (large) going into the bottom of the tank was cracked near the nipple so I fixed that. That didn't fix the starting issue though.

So would you guys recommend the next step to be taking the petcock apart? It just looks like a bitch to remove (hopefully not) and I want to look at everything else before that.


I don't know what the problem is but this may help you to find out.

https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...tcock+diaphram

Acecool Sep 16, 2010 09:22 AM

If it cracked and emptied the line, you may have to reprime it..

The nipple on the bottom with the tiny hole: Attach a siphon hose to this, hold the end of the siphon hose shut and squeeze the ball. Primed!


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