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996serrano 02-08-2010 04:51 PM

Breather or not
 
I have a 98 SH with 34,000 just bought it about a month ago, I have read losts of posts in here and even came across someone saying not to plug the crankcase. Well when I got the bike It had two bolts one on the rear cylinder and one on front cylinder. I have since replaced the bolts with crankcase breathers directly connected to valve cover. its a breather from auto parts store. My question is should I leave it with breather or put bolts back in?

steve.g 02-08-2010 06:19 PM

Not exactly sure what bolts/breathers you are talking about.There are breathers in the valve covers that are part of the PAIR system.This is for emissions. Some people just disable them,some remove the system completely.If you look for the sticky "Pair removal" in the knowledge base should tell you all you need to know. I have disabled mine to help stop the "popping" on overun in my aftermarket pipes.There may be a slight performance increase with disabling them,but I can't feel the difference.

996serrano 02-08-2010 06:40 PM

Breather or not
 

Originally Posted by steve.g (Post 253329)
Not exactly sure what bolts/breathers you are talking about.There are breathers in the valve covers that are part of the PAIR system.This is for emissions. Some people just disable them,some remove the system completely.If you look for the sticky "Pair removal" in the knowledge base should tell you all you need to know. I have disabled mine to help stop the "popping" on overun in my aftermarket pipes.There may be a slight performance increase with disabling them,but I can't feel the difference.

My bad this bike has had the pair system removed. I am simply talking about the connection to the valve cover that the pair used to connect to. It was plugged with one bolt on each cylinder. I added a crankcase breather and removed the bolt on the rear and the front cylinder. Is having a crankcase breather ok or should I leave the bolts in so the crankcase doesn't breath?

996serrano 02-08-2010 06:49 PM

Breather or not
 
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This is what i mean.

autoteach 02-08-2010 06:49 PM

The pair system can be plugged, but the breather system should not be. If the portion that is plugged of which you speak is connected to the aluminum colored piece that is bolted to the valve covers, play through.

autoteach 02-08-2010 06:49 PM

By play through, leave it plugged.

scatterbrained 02-08-2010 07:11 PM


Originally Posted by autoteach (Post 253338)
By play through, leave it plugged.

+1
the pair system pushed outside air into the exhaust so plugging it won't hurt anything. Plugging the crankcase on the other hand. . . .. :eek:

996serrano 02-08-2010 07:17 PM

Breather or not
 

Originally Posted by scatterbrained (Post 253341)
+1
the pair system pushed outside air into the exhaust so plugging it won't hurt anything. Plugging the crankcase on the other hand. . . .. :eek:


So what i did is correct then right? The pic is my front cylinder and I put a breather on the valve there.

killer5280 02-08-2010 07:23 PM


Originally Posted by 996serrano (Post 253344)
So what i did is correct then right? The pic is my front cylinder and I put a breather on the valve there.

No. That is what remains of the pair system. You can plug that with no worries. It doesn't need to breathe. It is not part of the crankcase ventilation, which are the larger hoses that go from the crankcase into the airbox.

gboezio 02-08-2010 07:31 PM

The crankcase vents are bigger than the pair hoses, what you put breathers onto are the PAIR reed valve covers, you should plug these and save the breathers for another use.

Plugging breathers will result in gaskets damage, poor mileage, on a V-twin, both cylinders are going down close to each other, the air need to rush out and back in. On an I-4 two up while 2 down, the breather is mostly to get the blow by and oil vapors out.

996serrano 02-08-2010 07:35 PM

Breather or not
 

Originally Posted by killer5280 (Post 253345)
No. That is what remains of the pair system. You can plug that with no worries. It doesn't need to breathe. It is not part of the crankcase ventilation, which are the larger hoses that go from the crankcase into the airbox.


Cool Killer thanks. When I got the bike I was like what the heck the crankcase is not breathing. So that is part of the pair system. Cool. I went outside and I see that there are larger hoses going to the underside of air box.

autoteach 02-08-2010 08:32 PM

Just had a stunning idea. On some high performance vehicles they run vacuum pumps on the crankcase. You could run a hose from the breathers to the pair system and build more HP with some low tension rings. Done and done.


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