Obamageddon!
I've read enough of Jefferson, Madison, Hamilton, Sam Adams, Patrick Henry, Tench Coxe etc. that yeah, I think I have a really good idea of what they intended.
I know your definitions of "regulate" come from the dictionary, I believe you.
What matters is what they meant 220 years ago. What else could matter?
Look up 'gay" in a dictionary from 1899 vs. a modern dictionary. Get it?
If there is no legitimate "need" for "assault rifles", why does every police dept. in the U.S. (including yours) have a pile of them? Is the New Paltz PD expecting an invasion by the North Koreans? (New Paltz would probably like that!, but that's beside the point!)
I don't think anyone "needs" a 160 H.P. sport bike, but If you want one, it's OK by me.
And I mean the following in a friendly, respectful, one American to another way;
Unless and until I personally am actually harming you/infringing upon your rights, what I "need" is for me to decide and for you to mind your own business about.
I know your definitions of "regulate" come from the dictionary, I believe you.
What matters is what they meant 220 years ago. What else could matter?
Look up 'gay" in a dictionary from 1899 vs. a modern dictionary. Get it?
If there is no legitimate "need" for "assault rifles", why does every police dept. in the U.S. (including yours) have a pile of them? Is the New Paltz PD expecting an invasion by the North Koreans? (New Paltz would probably like that!, but that's beside the point!)
I don't think anyone "needs" a 160 H.P. sport bike, but If you want one, it's OK by me.
And I mean the following in a friendly, respectful, one American to another way;
Unless and until I personally am actually harming you/infringing upon your rights, what I "need" is for me to decide and for you to mind your own business about.
Re: 160 HP bikes...How the hell is your 'hawk making 160 HP?!
No, the VTR is for fun on the weekends, I commute more on the Nighthawk...both of which are highly unlikely to kill large amounts of people in the hands of a lunatic. Further, they both use less fuel than the average car, making either one a cost-effective means of getting to work. In fact, you could make the argument that commuting to work on a motorcycle is less hazardous to other commuters, and in fact safer for the people around me as any bike is going to do less damage than a typical car, if involved in an accident. And motor vehicles are regulated, in that you need to be licensed to operate one, a license that can be revoked.
Don't want to get too deep in the weeds here Dave, but distinctions are important for the philosophy behind them.
What is regulated is motor vehicle USE on PUBLIC ROADS, not mere possession/ownership. If you want to buy an old car from me for $500, pay cash and trailer it home, you can drive it around on your own back 40 acres 'till the cows come home. No registration, insurance, driver's license required.
RK, I don't care what you think you need. As I said before, you took an Article of the Constitution and reduced it to what you wanted it to say. I called you on it, and reproduced the text. I wasn't trying to start a flame war on gun control, or immigration, or whatever hot-button issue is on your mind today. I merely saw a warped view of facts and pointed out that presenting a Reader's Digest Condensed version of the Constitution is intellectually dishonest. If you're an expert on the Constitution, Adams, Jefferson, and whomever else you claim to have read, then fine - present your credentials. Do you have a Ph.D. in Law? History? By all means, prove it and I'll defer to you. Until then, I think you're only seeing what you want to see, and no amount of reasoned debate is going to change that.
Re: 160 HP bikes...How the hell is your 'hawk making 160 HP?!
Re: 160 HP bikes...How the hell is your 'hawk making 160 HP?!
And I didn't say my VTR makes 160 HP. The R1, GSX-R1000, 10-R and CBR1000RR do though. Get one if you "need" too. It's a free country!
Another thing, Dave.
Do yourself and your integrity level a favor. Stop accusing me of "intellectual dishonesty".
We've established, to your apparent satisfaction, that the commerce clause doesn't empower the federal government to "regulate" within a particular state. The FedGov does that anyway.
We've established to your apparent satisfaction that the "general welfare" clause doesn't authorize the FedGov to take money from people who produce/pay taxes and buy Cheese Doodles and Colt 45 Malt liquor for crack ****** in Bensonhurst. They spend billions on exactly that anyway.
If you wish to argue Constitutional authority for individual cases, I'm ready, willing and able. In the mean time? Who is being "intellectually dishonest"?
Do yourself and your integrity level a favor. Stop accusing me of "intellectual dishonesty".
We've established, to your apparent satisfaction, that the commerce clause doesn't empower the federal government to "regulate" within a particular state. The FedGov does that anyway.
We've established to your apparent satisfaction that the "general welfare" clause doesn't authorize the FedGov to take money from people who produce/pay taxes and buy Cheese Doodles and Colt 45 Malt liquor for crack ****** in Bensonhurst. They spend billions on exactly that anyway.
If you wish to argue Constitutional authority for individual cases, I'm ready, willing and able. In the mean time? Who is being "intellectually dishonest"?
Last edited by RK1; Aug 17, 2009 at 07:32 PM.
I'm going to quote you one last time:
I posted the entire text of this Article. Anyone reading this is free to go back and see for themselves, or look it up. There's a lot more there than you're willing to admit. THAT is intellectual dishonesty - only picking and choosing what fits your argument.
I guess I must have touched a nerve, based on the hostility of your last post...Don't worry, I'm not coming to take your guns away. If that's what you need to feel good about yourself, you can have 'em.
If you don't want people to call you out, don't post misrepresentations, it's that simple. I don't mind debate, and I'll listen to anybody's opinion, but when you start throwing around 'Colt .45 malt liquor' and 'crackwhores in Bensonhurst', you're bordering on racism, and I'll have no part of that. It just proves you can't make your argument without name-calling.
Cheers, and good luck with the secession movement.
I guess I must have touched a nerve, based on the hostility of your last post...Don't worry, I'm not coming to take your guns away. If that's what you need to feel good about yourself, you can have 'em.
If you don't want people to call you out, don't post misrepresentations, it's that simple. I don't mind debate, and I'll listen to anybody's opinion, but when you start throwing around 'Colt .45 malt liquor' and 'crackwhores in Bensonhurst', you're bordering on racism, and I'll have no part of that. It just proves you can't make your argument without name-calling.
Cheers, and good luck with the secession movement.
I'm going to quote you one last time:
I posted the entire text of this Article. Anyone reading this is free to go back and see for themselves, or look it up. There's a lot more there than you're willing to admit. THAT is intellectual dishonesty - only picking and choosing what fits your argument.
I guess I must have touched a nerve, based on the hostility of your last post...Don't worry, I'm not coming to take your guns away. If that's what you need to feel good about yourself, you can have 'em.
If you don't want people to call you out, don't post misrepresentations, it's that simple. I don't mind debate, and I'll listen to anybody's opinion, but when you start throwing around 'Colt .45 malt liquor' and 'crackwhores in Bensonhurst', you're bordering on racism, and I'll have no part of that. It just proves you can't make your argument without name-calling.
Cheers, and good luck with the secession movement.
I posted the entire text of this Article. Anyone reading this is free to go back and see for themselves, or look it up. There's a lot more there than you're willing to admit. THAT is intellectual dishonesty - only picking and choosing what fits your argument.
I guess I must have touched a nerve, based on the hostility of your last post...Don't worry, I'm not coming to take your guns away. If that's what you need to feel good about yourself, you can have 'em.
If you don't want people to call you out, don't post misrepresentations, it's that simple. I don't mind debate, and I'll listen to anybody's opinion, but when you start throwing around 'Colt .45 malt liquor' and 'crackwhores in Bensonhurst', you're bordering on racism, and I'll have no part of that. It just proves you can't make your argument without name-calling.
Cheers, and good luck with the secession movement.
Have you ever been to Bensonhurst? It's majority white Italian-American (folks I grew up with) and Russian-American (my blood brothers). What race are you talking about?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGYC5Kyq9U
Hey Surfer;
If there's a better corner carving song (I'm not sure why it is, just is for me), in the history of the world, what is it?
Hey Surfer;
If there's a better corner carving song (I'm not sure why it is, just is for me), in the history of the world, what is it?
20 seconds into this video always gives me that "Oh ****!" feelin'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRkPN8cVZko
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRkPN8cVZko
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=98589
I love this ****, too bad all major billboard companies are now denying to post these. of course while still posting gay phone lines, Tobacco and alcohol products, anti-meth ads.... and so on. this country is fucked. The gov. is pressuring these companies to deny any further posting of this pro-FREETHINKING propaganda.
I love this ****, too bad all major billboard companies are now denying to post these. of course while still posting gay phone lines, Tobacco and alcohol products, anti-meth ads.... and so on. this country is fucked. The gov. is pressuring these companies to deny any further posting of this pro-FREETHINKING propaganda.
"Psychiatrist proves liberals are mentally ill". A WND classic.
Or:
"Just like in Great Britain, national health care will kill old people." But, life expectancy in Great Britain is 79, here it's 78. Data from the CIA World Factbook:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy
Hmmm...
A while back WND was sued for libel. Turns out they made the entire story up from nothing, including false "witness statements". Paid a lot of money out for that one.
You can buy great books from them about things like how TWA flight 800 was brought down by a Navy missile, instead of a fuel tank malfunction, as the NTSB said. And other conspiracy theories.
Etc. Interesting.
Last edited by Redone; Aug 21, 2009 at 07:34 PM.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XbGYC5Kyq9U
Hey Surfer;
If there's a better corner carving song (I'm not sure why it is, just is for me), in the history of the world, what is it?
Hey Surfer;
If there's a better corner carving song (I'm not sure why it is, just is for me), in the history of the world, what is it?
All that Beach Boys stuff is good. I tried that on Ortega, but when I'm carving corners I'm too busy with my riding to keep a tune in my head. Rode it 3 times this week. There was a Japanese guy (Haga maybe
) on a 1098 just tearing up the Elsinore side. However on the way home down in the flats east of San Juan "Ghost Riders in the Sky" was going through my head through the sweepers (guitar instrumental version). I realized why the next day when my wife and I were stopped at the Candy Store. That song was on the tape loop that was playing outside.
Oh, and in keeping with the subject of this thread, did anyone notice that Gadaffy Duck just gave the Western World the finger
big time by giving the Lockerbie bomber a hero's welcome on his return to Libya, after being released from prison in Scottland for "humanitarian reasons". He spent a total of 14 days for each person he killed. And Obama wanted to talk and make nice and sing Kumbaya with these inhuman morons.
Last edited by VTRsurfer; Aug 21, 2009 at 08:58 PM.
VTRsurfer, I think you are missing the point here...by releasing him, the Scottish authorities don't have to continue caring for the nice gentleman. He can go home and enjoy the wonderful Libyan health care system. And besides, he swears he's innocent. Now what brave jihadist would disavow a mighty blow against the Great Satan if he DID indeed do it? Why only a coward would do that to avoid incarceration. And that would ruin his shot at the 72 virgins.
Classic Liberal.
Absolutely. Stories like:
"Psychiatrist proves liberals are mentally ill". A WND classic.
Or:
"Just like in Great Britain, national health care will kill old people." But, life expectancy in Great Britain is 79, here it's 78. Data from the CIA World Factbook:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy
Hmmm...
A while back WND was sued for libel. Turns out they made the entire story up from nothing, including false "witness statements". Paid a lot of money out for that one.
You can buy great books from them about things like how TWA flight 800 was brought down by a Navy missile, instead of a fuel tank malfunction, as the NTSB said. And other conspiracy theories.
Etc. Interesting.
"Psychiatrist proves liberals are mentally ill". A WND classic.
Or:
"Just like in Great Britain, national health care will kill old people." But, life expectancy in Great Britain is 79, here it's 78. Data from the CIA World Factbook:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...ife_expectancy
Hmmm...
A while back WND was sued for libel. Turns out they made the entire story up from nothing, including false "witness statements". Paid a lot of money out for that one.
You can buy great books from them about things like how TWA flight 800 was brought down by a Navy missile, instead of a fuel tank malfunction, as the NTSB said. And other conspiracy theories.
Etc. Interesting.
Yeah, the beating awaits and is near.
To think these arrogant ***** can represent regular American folks as right wing coooks will be their undoing and an op/ed I read this weekend says it will be a matter of weeks.
The crisis of confidence is coming. Don't be late.
Lots of political mile posts in the next few weeks. Robert Gibbs already looks like a turkey that's been deflowered.
To think these arrogant ***** can represent regular American folks as right wing coooks will be their undoing and an op/ed I read this weekend says it will be a matter of weeks.
The crisis of confidence is coming. Don't be late.
Lots of political mile posts in the next few weeks. Robert Gibbs already looks like a turkey that's been deflowered.
first he was black with few other credentials. Next he was an intellectual in SanFran. This guy is a disgrace to our country. The leaders need to pay a price for this one. This guy is way out of the box.
But maybe that's the point - it's all out of the box.
But maybe that's the point - it's all out of the box.
Wow
Today I just checked out this thread. Everyone is so serious, with that in mind I submit the following video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4
Today I just checked out this thread. Everyone is so serious, with that in mind I submit the following video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4
Wow
Today I just checked out this thread. Everyone is so serious, with that in mind I submit the following video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4
Today I just checked out this thread. Everyone is so serious, with that in mind I submit the following video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pXfHLUlZf4
ACORN begat Obama...
Obama Crookedness at Chrysler
This is unbelievable.
This could be a scandal of epic proportions and one that makes Nixon's
Watergate or Clinton's Monica Lewinsky affair pale by comparison.
Why was there neither rhyme nor reason as to which dealerships of the
Chrysler Corporation were to be closed?
Roll the clock back to the weeks just before Chrysler declared bankruptcy.
Chrysler, like GM, was in dire financial straights and federal government
graciously offered to "buy the company" and keep them out of bankruptcy
and "save jobs." Chrysler was, in the words of Obama and his administration,
"Too big to fail," same story with GM.
The feds organized their "Automotive Task Force" to fix Chrysler and GM.
Obama, in an act that is 100% unconstitutional, appointed a guy named
Steve Rattner to be the White House's official Car Czar- literally,
that's what his title is. Rattner is the liaison between Obama,
Chrysler, and GM.
Initially, the national media reported that Chrysler had made this list
of dealerships. That is not true. The Washington Examiner, Newsmax, Fox
New and a host of other news agencies discovered that the list of
dealerships was put together by the "Automotive Task Force" headed by no
one other then Mr. Steve Rattner. Now the plot thickens. Remember
earlier we said earlier that there was neither rhyme nor reason why
certain dealerships were closed? Actually there's a very interesting
pattern as to who was closed down. Again, on May 27, 2009, The
Washington Examiner and Newsmax exposed the connection. Amazingly, of
the 789 dealerships closed by the federal government 788 had donated
money, exclusively, to Republican political causes, while contributing
nothing to Democratic political causes. The only "Democratic" dealership
on the list was found to have donated $7,700 to Hillary's campaign, and
a bit over $2,000 to John Edwards. This same dealership, reportedly,
also gave $200.00 to Obama's campaign. Does that seem a little odd to
you?
Steve Rattner, the guy who put the list together. Well he happens to be
married to a babe named Maureen White. Maureen happens to be the former
national finance chairman of the Democratic National Committee. As such,
she would have access to campaign donation records from everyone in the
nation, Republican or Democrat. But of course, this is just a wacky
coincidence, we're certain.
Then comes another really wacky coincidence. On that list of dealerships
being closed down, a weird thing happened in Arkansas, North Louisiana,
and Southern Missouri. It seems that Bill Clinton's former White House
Chief of Staff, Mack McClarty, owns a chain of dealerships in that
region, partnered with a fellow by the name of Robert Johnson. Johnson
happens to be founder of Black Entertainment Television and was a huge
Obama supporter and financier. These guys own a half dozen Chrysler
stores under the company title of RLJ-McClarty-Landers. Interestingly,
none of their dealerships were ordered closed - not one- while all of
their competing Chrysler/Dodge and Jeep dealership were! Eight
dealerships located near the dealerships owned by McClarty and Johnson
were ordered shut down. Thus, by pure luck, these two major Obama
supporters now have virtual monopoly on Chrysler sales in their zone.
Isn't that amazing? Go look in The Washington Examiner, the story's
there, and it's in a dozen or so other web-based news organization, this
isn't being made up.
Now if you thought Chrysler was owned by Fiat, you are truly mistaken.
Under the federal court ruling, 65% of Chrysler is now owned by the
federal government and the United Auto Worker's union- Fiat owns 20%.
The other 15% is till privately owned and presumably will be traded on
the stock market. Obama smiles and says he doesn't want to run the auto
industry.
As horrifying as this is to comprehend, and being as how this used to be
the United States of America, it would appear that the president has the
power to destroy private businesses and eliminate upwards of 100,000
jobs, just because they don't agree with his political agenda. This is
**** Germany stuff, and it's happening right here, right now, in your
back yard. There are voices in Washington demanding an explanation, but
the "Automotive Task Force" has released no information to the public or
any of the senators demanding answers for what has been done. Keep your
ear to the ground for more on this story. If you've ever wanted to make
a difference about anything in your life, get on the phone to your
national senator or representative in the House and demand an
investigation on this.
Benjamin Franklin had it right when he said, "All that's necessary for
evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
Car Czar No More
An amazing thing happened as this story was going to press. Obama's Car
Czar, Steve Rattner, resigned on July 13 and was promptly replaced by
former steel workers union boss Ron Bloom. According to CBS News,
Rattner left "to return to private life and spend time with his family."
Treasure Secretary Tim Geithner said, "I hope that he takes another
opportunity to bring his unique skills to government service in the
future." By the way, Rattner is under investigation for a multi-million
dollar pay-to-play investment bank scandal in New York. Uh-oh! But,
we're certain that had nothing to do with his resignation. And,
according to several news sources out there, there are rumors he's being
investigated for what could be pay-to-play scandal involving the closing
of Chrysler and GM dealerships. Really? Again, that couldn't have
anything to with his resignation- that's ridiculous! Like CBS said, this
guy just wants to spend more quality time with his family. Obama has
thirty-two personally appointed "czars" that answer to no one but him,
all of whom are acting without any Constitutional authority. But hey,
we're sure they all have "unique skills," as Tim Geithner likes to say.
This is unbelievable.
This could be a scandal of epic proportions and one that makes Nixon's
Watergate or Clinton's Monica Lewinsky affair pale by comparison.
Why was there neither rhyme nor reason as to which dealerships of the
Chrysler Corporation were to be closed?
Roll the clock back to the weeks just before Chrysler declared bankruptcy.
Chrysler, like GM, was in dire financial straights and federal government
graciously offered to "buy the company" and keep them out of bankruptcy
and "save jobs." Chrysler was, in the words of Obama and his administration,
"Too big to fail," same story with GM.
The feds organized their "Automotive Task Force" to fix Chrysler and GM.
Obama, in an act that is 100% unconstitutional, appointed a guy named
Steve Rattner to be the White House's official Car Czar- literally,
that's what his title is. Rattner is the liaison between Obama,
Chrysler, and GM.
Initially, the national media reported that Chrysler had made this list
of dealerships. That is not true. The Washington Examiner, Newsmax, Fox
New and a host of other news agencies discovered that the list of
dealerships was put together by the "Automotive Task Force" headed by no
one other then Mr. Steve Rattner. Now the plot thickens. Remember
earlier we said earlier that there was neither rhyme nor reason why
certain dealerships were closed? Actually there's a very interesting
pattern as to who was closed down. Again, on May 27, 2009, The
Washington Examiner and Newsmax exposed the connection. Amazingly, of
the 789 dealerships closed by the federal government 788 had donated
money, exclusively, to Republican political causes, while contributing
nothing to Democratic political causes. The only "Democratic" dealership
on the list was found to have donated $7,700 to Hillary's campaign, and
a bit over $2,000 to John Edwards. This same dealership, reportedly,
also gave $200.00 to Obama's campaign. Does that seem a little odd to
you?
Steve Rattner, the guy who put the list together. Well he happens to be
married to a babe named Maureen White. Maureen happens to be the former
national finance chairman of the Democratic National Committee. As such,
she would have access to campaign donation records from everyone in the
nation, Republican or Democrat. But of course, this is just a wacky
coincidence, we're certain.
Then comes another really wacky coincidence. On that list of dealerships
being closed down, a weird thing happened in Arkansas, North Louisiana,
and Southern Missouri. It seems that Bill Clinton's former White House
Chief of Staff, Mack McClarty, owns a chain of dealerships in that
region, partnered with a fellow by the name of Robert Johnson. Johnson
happens to be founder of Black Entertainment Television and was a huge
Obama supporter and financier. These guys own a half dozen Chrysler
stores under the company title of RLJ-McClarty-Landers. Interestingly,
none of their dealerships were ordered closed - not one- while all of
their competing Chrysler/Dodge and Jeep dealership were! Eight
dealerships located near the dealerships owned by McClarty and Johnson
were ordered shut down. Thus, by pure luck, these two major Obama
supporters now have virtual monopoly on Chrysler sales in their zone.
Isn't that amazing? Go look in The Washington Examiner, the story's
there, and it's in a dozen or so other web-based news organization, this
isn't being made up.
Now if you thought Chrysler was owned by Fiat, you are truly mistaken.
Under the federal court ruling, 65% of Chrysler is now owned by the
federal government and the United Auto Worker's union- Fiat owns 20%.
The other 15% is till privately owned and presumably will be traded on
the stock market. Obama smiles and says he doesn't want to run the auto
industry.
As horrifying as this is to comprehend, and being as how this used to be
the United States of America, it would appear that the president has the
power to destroy private businesses and eliminate upwards of 100,000
jobs, just because they don't agree with his political agenda. This is
**** Germany stuff, and it's happening right here, right now, in your
back yard. There are voices in Washington demanding an explanation, but
the "Automotive Task Force" has released no information to the public or
any of the senators demanding answers for what has been done. Keep your
ear to the ground for more on this story. If you've ever wanted to make
a difference about anything in your life, get on the phone to your
national senator or representative in the House and demand an
investigation on this.
Benjamin Franklin had it right when he said, "All that's necessary for
evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
Car Czar No More
An amazing thing happened as this story was going to press. Obama's Car
Czar, Steve Rattner, resigned on July 13 and was promptly replaced by
former steel workers union boss Ron Bloom. According to CBS News,
Rattner left "to return to private life and spend time with his family."
Treasure Secretary Tim Geithner said, "I hope that he takes another
opportunity to bring his unique skills to government service in the
future." By the way, Rattner is under investigation for a multi-million
dollar pay-to-play investment bank scandal in New York. Uh-oh! But,
we're certain that had nothing to do with his resignation. And,
according to several news sources out there, there are rumors he's being
investigated for what could be pay-to-play scandal involving the closing
of Chrysler and GM dealerships. Really? Again, that couldn't have
anything to with his resignation- that's ridiculous! Like CBS said, this
guy just wants to spend more quality time with his family. Obama has
thirty-two personally appointed "czars" that answer to no one but him,
all of whom are acting without any Constitutional authority. But hey,
we're sure they all have "unique skills," as Tim Geithner likes to say.



