Ft. Hood
11-05-2009, 03:39 PM
#1
Senior Member
MotoGP
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Austin, Tx
Posts: 4,138
Ft. Hood
As most of you have prob heard there was a prob at the base that involved a Major. His name is all over the news.
Brothers, we don't need to escalate this into anything more than it is for now so please be cautious with your comments. Certainly our thoughts go out to the families at this very difficult time of the year. We need to stand together with them and not apart because of our minor differences.
Please wait for this all to fall out. It will.
Brothers, we don't need to escalate this into anything more than it is for now so please be cautious with your comments. Certainly our thoughts go out to the families at this very difficult time of the year. We need to stand together with them and not apart because of our minor differences.
Please wait for this all to fall out. It will.
11-05-2009, 06:26 PM
#8
Senior Member
SuperBike
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: New Braunfels, Texas
Posts: 2,188
Have a buddy who i served with at Ft Cambell is now stationed at Ft Hood. I sent him a text, but he hasn't responded. But it ussually takes him a day or two to call me back.
Prayers to the injured and their families.
Prayers to the injured and their families.
11-05-2009, 06:47 PM
#10
996 new guy
Superstock
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Universal city, Texas
Posts: 300
Authorities said immediately after the shootings that they had killed the suspected shooter, but later in the evening they recanted and said that he was alive and in stable condition at a hospital, watched by a guard.
11-05-2009, 10:43 PM
#13
Senior Member
MotoGP
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Way Out West
Posts: 2,547
And maybe if Major Jihad Raghead had known he'd be cut down after 3 or 4 shots, he'd have simply put himself out of his own misery without harming anyone else.
11-05-2009, 11:29 PM
#14
Junior Member
Squid
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 15
How DARE you try to turn this tragedy into a political spectacle? Have some respect. This is not the time or place. You can start a new thread to spread you political views, but you can't have this one.
My thought and prayers go out to the victims and their families.
Kevin B
3/82 FA, 1st CAV 1987-1990
My thought and prayers go out to the victims and their families.
Kevin B
3/82 FA, 1st CAV 1987-1990
11-07-2009, 03:10 AM
#16
Senior Member
MotoGP
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Way Out West
Posts: 2,547
How DARE you try to turn this tragedy into a political spectacle? Have some respect. This is not the time or place. You can start a new thread to spread you political views, but you can't have this one.
My thought and prayers go out to the victims and their families.
Kevin B
3/82 FA, 1st CAV 1987-1990
My thought and prayers go out to the victims and their families.
Kevin B
3/82 FA, 1st CAV 1987-1990
From Col. Ralph Peters;
"Hasan isn't the sole guilty party. The US Army's unforgivable political correctness is also to blame for the casualties at Ft. Hood.
Given the myriad warning signs, it's appalling that no action was taken against a man apparently known to praise suicide bombers and openly damn US policy. But no officer in his chain of command, either at Walter Reed Medical Center or at Fort Hood, had the guts to take meaningful action against a dysfunctional soldier and an incompetent doctor.
Now 12 soldiers and a security guard lie dead. 31 soldiers were wounded, 28 of them seriously. If heads don't roll in this maggot's chain of command, the Army will have shamed itself beyond moral redemption.
There's another important issue, too. How could the Army allow an obviously incompetent and dysfunctional psychiatrist to treat our troubled soldiers returning from war? An Islamist whacko is counseled for arguing with veterans who've been assigned to his care? And he's not removed from duty? What planet does the Army live on?
For the first time since I joined the Army in 1976, I'm ashamed of its dereliction of duty. The chain of command protected a budding terrorist who was waving one red flag after another. Because it was safer for careers than doing something about him."
hzryr61, If you want to read the rest of the column, it's here;
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...N7gl7zdsJ31vnJ
If you'd rather continue on with your sanctimonious, politically correct sleepwalk, good luck and God Bless.
Last edited by RK1; 11-07-2009 at 03:20 AM.
11-07-2009, 08:12 AM
#18
Moderate-whore
MotoGP
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: Leander TX!!
Posts: 9,049
It's a "tragedy" when people die in earthquakes, floods and tornadoes. This was mass murder by a long time professed raghead jihadhist, who instead of getting a dishonorable discharge, was promoted by the superior officers who knew exactly who and what he was (because he told them).
From Col. Ralph Peters;
"Hasan isn't the sole guilty party. The US Army's unforgivable political correctness is also to blame for the casualties at Ft. Hood.
Given the myriad warning signs, it's appalling that no action was taken against a man apparently known to praise suicide bombers and openly damn US policy. But no officer in his chain of command, either at Walter Reed Medical Center or at Fort Hood, had the guts to take meaningful action against a dysfunctional soldier and an incompetent doctor.
Now 12 soldiers and a security guard lie dead. 31 soldiers were wounded, 28 of them seriously. If heads don't roll in this maggot's chain of command, the Army will have shamed itself beyond moral redemption.
There's another important issue, too. How could the Army allow an obviously incompetent and dysfunctional psychiatrist to treat our troubled soldiers returning from war? An Islamist whacko is counseled for arguing with veterans who've been assigned to his care? And he's not removed from duty? What planet does the Army live on?
For the first time since I joined the Army in 1976, I'm ashamed of its dereliction of duty. The chain of command protected a budding terrorist who was waving one red flag after another. Because it was safer for careers than doing something about him."
hzryr61, If you want to read the rest of the column, it's here;
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...N7gl7zdsJ31vnJ
If you'd rather continue on with your sanctimonious, politically correct sleepwalk, good luck and God Bless.
From Col. Ralph Peters;
"Hasan isn't the sole guilty party. The US Army's unforgivable political correctness is also to blame for the casualties at Ft. Hood.
Given the myriad warning signs, it's appalling that no action was taken against a man apparently known to praise suicide bombers and openly damn US policy. But no officer in his chain of command, either at Walter Reed Medical Center or at Fort Hood, had the guts to take meaningful action against a dysfunctional soldier and an incompetent doctor.
Now 12 soldiers and a security guard lie dead. 31 soldiers were wounded, 28 of them seriously. If heads don't roll in this maggot's chain of command, the Army will have shamed itself beyond moral redemption.
There's another important issue, too. How could the Army allow an obviously incompetent and dysfunctional psychiatrist to treat our troubled soldiers returning from war? An Islamist whacko is counseled for arguing with veterans who've been assigned to his care? And he's not removed from duty? What planet does the Army live on?
For the first time since I joined the Army in 1976, I'm ashamed of its dereliction of duty. The chain of command protected a budding terrorist who was waving one red flag after another. Because it was safer for careers than doing something about him."
hzryr61, If you want to read the rest of the column, it's here;
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion...N7gl7zdsJ31vnJ
If you'd rather continue on with your sanctimonious, politically correct sleepwalk, good luck and God Bless.
11-08-2009, 07:40 PM
#20
Senior Member
MotoGP
Join Date: May 2008
Location: San Clemente, CA
Posts: 3,451
When I was in the Navy during the Vietnam era, someone acting like he was would have drawn a General Discharge, at least. He was speaking treason in my opinion.
This PC world we live in is just insane.
This PC world we live in is just insane.
Last edited by VTRsurfer; 11-08-2009 at 07:44 PM.
11-09-2009, 02:55 PM
#22
Senior Member
SuperBike
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Williamsburg, VA
Posts: 2,455
Let's not start jumping to conclusions about what the "Army should have done". There are still way to many unknowns.
- Was he actually connected with a terrorist group or just trying to be
- If so was the Army told about it
- Did he show any signs of posing a threat or did he appear to be all rhetoric and no action
- Was he more valuable of an asset to intelligence if he was allowed to operate and potentially bring out more "dangerous" people from the shadows
I understand that people are dead, and of course we're all upset about that. Let's just be careful about throwing blame around when we don't understand all the facts. If it were up to me and I thought that I could use this person to unknowingly gather intelligence, and he appeared to pose no immediate threat, I would keep him around too.
P.S. this post was directed at no one specific, I just see the waters starting to boil and wanted to throw in my .02
- Was he actually connected with a terrorist group or just trying to be
- If so was the Army told about it
- Did he show any signs of posing a threat or did he appear to be all rhetoric and no action
- Was he more valuable of an asset to intelligence if he was allowed to operate and potentially bring out more "dangerous" people from the shadows
I understand that people are dead, and of course we're all upset about that. Let's just be careful about throwing blame around when we don't understand all the facts. If it were up to me and I thought that I could use this person to unknowingly gather intelligence, and he appeared to pose no immediate threat, I would keep him around too.
P.S. this post was directed at no one specific, I just see the waters starting to boil and wanted to throw in my .02
11-09-2009, 04:24 PM
#23
Senior Member
SuperBike
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Richmond, Virginia
Posts: 1,315
Was he more valuable of an asset to intelligence if he was allowed to operate and potentially bring out more "dangerous" people from the shadows
I understand that people are dead, and of course we're all upset about that. Let's just be careful about throwing blame around when we don't understand all the facts. If it were up to me and I thought that I could use this person to unknowingly gather intelligence, and he appeared to pose no immediate threat, I would keep him around too.
I understand that people are dead, and of course we're all upset about that. Let's just be careful about throwing blame around when we don't understand all the facts. If it were up to me and I thought that I could use this person to unknowingly gather intelligence, and he appeared to pose no immediate threat, I would keep him around too.
I heard on the news that within 4 hours the FBI came out to say it wasn't investigating this as a terrorist act. This could blow up in their faces if it turns out they were aware of him all along.
I believe there's a good chance they wanted to send him to the Middle East to see what contacts he might cultivate in theatre.
11-09-2009, 10:32 PM
#24
Senior Member
MotoGP
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Way Out West
Posts: 2,547
"U.S. Army told of Hasan's contacts with al Qaeda"
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-h...ory?id=9030873
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/fort-h...ory?id=9030873
11-09-2009, 10:51 PM
#25
Senior Member
MotoGP
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Way Out West
Posts: 2,547
Muslim soldier Nidal Hisan to fellow (non Muslim) military doctors...
"We love death more then (sic) you love life!"
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/11/09...you-love-life/
"We love death more then (sic) you love life!"
http://michellemalkin.com/2009/11/09...you-love-life/
11-09-2009, 11:10 PM
#26
Senior Member
MotoGP
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Way Out West
Posts: 2,547
11-09-2009, 11:27 PM
#27
Senior Member
MotoGP
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Way Out West
Posts: 2,547
More unsurprising news...
http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/88156/
"But you know, If you'd complained someone might have called you a 'racist'".
http://pajamasmedia.com/instapundit/88156/
"But you know, If you'd complained someone might have called you a 'racist'".
11-09-2009, 11:31 PM
#28
Senior Member
MotoGP
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Way Out West
Posts: 2,547
Army ignored warning signs from Fort Hood shooter, former classmate says.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573469,00.html
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,573469,00.html
11-10-2009, 01:08 AM
#29
Junior Member
Squid
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 15
I felt this post was to focus on the pain and sorrow that must be felt by the victims and families of this event, and to sympathise with them. I guess you feel otherwise. I am not going to argue with your point of view. When people are injured are killed, no matter who is at fault, I’m sure their families are affected. When that happens, I feel it is a tragedy.
11-10-2009, 04:56 PM
#30
Senior Member
MotoGP
Thread Starter
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Austin, Tx
Posts: 4,138
You're right and I started this thread hoping we could start to conclude the grieving process before we start the carnivorous part. My heart went out to the families of the lost immediately but I didn't foresee the landslide of info on the Major this close to the event.
I really thought this would take at least a couple weeks after the burials that this **** would come out. I was wrong.
It's one thing to grieve the loss of friends, loved ones, comrades in arms. It's a whole 'nother game when it's betrayal.
I really thought this would take at least a couple weeks after the burials that this **** would come out. I was wrong.
It's one thing to grieve the loss of friends, loved ones, comrades in arms. It's a whole 'nother game when it's betrayal.
