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Grasshopper 06-30-2010 05:17 AM

Need help understanding speedo and odometer
 
Help me out here. I have looked through some of the threads about the speedo healer and understand that I do need one. I need to understand how many miles I am getting out of a tank of gas after my sprocket change.

I am now running a 16 / 43 instead of the stock 16 / 41. I did find out that when my speedo reads 65 I am acually going 55. Is this consistant throughout the speedometer or does it change as speed decreases and increases?

Also, I know my odometer is ticking faster now. How do I find out how many miles I am getting on a tank of gas?

I appreciate the help because I am going on a long 3k mile trip and don't have time to order a speedo healer before hand. If I can just do a calculation that would be great.

Thanks,

Nick

Tweety 06-30-2010 05:44 AM


Originally Posted by Grasshopper (Post 271941)
Help me out here. I have looked through some of the threads about the speedo healer and understand that I do need one. I need to understand how many miles I am getting out of a tank of gas after my sprocket change.

I am now running a 16 / 43 instead of the stock 16 / 41. I did find out that when my speedo reads 65 I am acually going 55. Is this consistant throughout the speedometer or does it change as speed decreases and increases?

Also, I know my odometer is ticking faster now. How do I find out how many miles I am getting on a tank of gas?

I appreciate the help because I am going on a long 3k mile trip and don't have time to order a speedo healer before hand. If I can just do a calculation that would be great.

Thanks,

Nick

Use this to calculate all your changes and needs...;)

http://www.tweety.se/download.php?fi...aring VTR3.xls

Just_Nick 06-30-2010 05:50 AM

It's a percentage error, so it will change.

Tweety 06-30-2010 06:01 AM

Yeah... But with those sprockets the difference in total is 4.65% so a reasonable calculation would be 5% total to keep it simple... That's how much less you get out of your tank because of your change... That and some realworld test on your bike and you can figure out your tank range pretty accurately on the uncorrected number on your bike, ie when trip says X go fill up...

zwoehr 06-30-2010 08:15 AM

The speedometer also comes stock with around a 5% error so your total error is -9.6%. I have the same 16x43 gearing as you and get an indicated 120 miles per tank exactly when riding in the mountains. So my actual range is right around 110 actual miles. I have started carrying an MSR fuel bottle under the seat as a reserve.

That got a little off track so to summarize, with your gearing you will be going about 10% slower than your speedometer indicates and racking up 10% more mileage on the odometer than you actually travel.

nothing 06-30-2010 08:28 AM

u can fit something under the seat??????? lol i can get a glove in there if I'm lucky....

lazn 06-30-2010 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by nothing (Post 271965)
u can fit something under the seat??????? lol i can get a glove in there if I'm lucky....

I can fit a water bottle, the toolkit, a first aid kit, a tire patch and inflation kit, spare socks, gloves, a long sleeve shirt, a flashlight, a multitool and my registration papers.

The light stuff and the water bottles go to the outside of the subframe, the only thing to watch for is not blocking airflow to the R/R, so I often leave the right side empty, that'd free up a lot more room. And I did gain the use of most the battery box recently with my A123 batteries, so I now have even more room.

But on to the question at hand. I am now running 16/43 and while the Speedohealer site said I should be at -9.6% I found that to actually get it correct (per GPS) I needed -13.3%

However my rear tire is fairly worn now, and it might be a bit under inflated so that may be part of it.

Grasshopper 06-30-2010 09:02 AM

This is great info. I've been riding quite spirited lately and I'm getting an indicated 115 to 120 before reserve comes on. This thing swallows gas.

lazn 06-30-2010 09:23 AM


Originally Posted by Grasshopper (Post 271968)
This is great info. I've been riding quite spirited lately and I'm getting an indicated 115 to 120 before reserve comes on. This thing swallows gas.

It's all in how you ride. I have run out at 90 and have made it to 145 before, some here on the forum average more than I have ever gotten.

Grasshopper 06-30-2010 11:36 AM

Ok, speaking of the 10% error. If I have an indicated 120 miles on my odometer do I multiply that by 0.10 to get the actual mile number?

Grasshopper 06-30-2010 11:41 AM

Then subtract 12 from 120 and that is my actual mile number of 108 correct?

8541Hawk 06-30-2010 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by Grasshopper (Post 271941)
I did find out that when my speedo reads 65 I am acually going 55. Is this consistant throughout the speedometer or does it change as speed decreases and increases?
Thanks,

Nick

I been running that gearing for around 12 yrs now and yes between the gearing change and the stock speedo error the reading is right at 10% (well 9.xxx) through out the entire range. That is one reason I haven't really bothered with a speedo healer. It would be nice but even this old Marine can do the 10% correction in my head, no worries. ;)

Cheers,
Mike

lazn 06-30-2010 11:45 AM

If you are off by -10% then: multiply by .90
or by .10 and subtract that from it.

so 120 = 108mph

8541Hawk 06-30-2010 11:46 AM


Originally Posted by Grasshopper (Post 271988)
Ok, speaking of the 10% error. If I have an indicated 120 miles on my odometer do I multiply that by 0.10 to get the actual mile number?

This is where it get a little tricky, while the stock speedo reads about 5% high the ODO is dead on. So to figure out your mileage use the 5% from the gearing change to figure out this number. ;)

Grasshopper 06-30-2010 12:32 PM

So instead of multiplying by .10 multiply by .5?

8541Hawk 06-30-2010 12:37 PM


Originally Posted by Grasshopper (Post 272006)
So instead of multiplying by .10 multiply by .5?

It would be .05

Grasshopper 06-30-2010 12:49 PM

Right, that's what I meant. Thanks for your help

zwoehr 06-30-2010 02:06 PM

How is the odo off by 5% less than the speedo? I thought it got it's signal from the speedo sensor as well.

Lazn do you have a write up for your battery?

8541Hawk 06-30-2010 02:15 PM


Originally Posted by zwoehr (Post 272020)
How is the odo off by 5% less than the speedo? I thought it got it's signal from the speedo sensor as well.

Lazn do you have a write up for your battery?

Because stock the speedo is around 5% optimistic while the ODO is pretty much dead on. ;)

lazn 06-30-2010 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by zwoehr (Post 272020)
Lazn do you have a write up for your battery?

Yep linked in my signature: https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...990#post265990


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