Ive asked before with no real help but lets try again PLEASE... Bike stumbles at half
throttle, runs great everywhere else. If Im at half throttle(highway speed) and its stummbling I can pull out the choke and the stumble goes away. I have changed carbs, R/R, Air filter. I havent changed plugs in the new motor though and I did notice a small gas leak from the petcock when I had the tank off putting the new motor on the bike. Im thinking this is a vacuum issue causing this and its possibly coming from the petcock gasket but I would like some of the Gurus from this sites opinions.
Your help is appreciated in advance, Chris (BDK) |
I'm no guru, and I'm guessing, but what you describe, especially it clearing when you pull out the choke, sounds more like a carb/jetting issue to me than a vacuum problem.
Whatever gurus there are around here might be more help if you detail what exhaust you are running, are the carb jets and needles stock or after market and if so what is the set up? Are the air filter and airbox stock or aftermarket/modified? Are you sure that the carbs are fully seated in the manifold booties and all four bands are tightened down? Is the TPS set properly? Are you certain it is a "half throttle" condition not a "constant throttle" (as opposed to accelerating throttle) condition? Seems to me also that if it was caused by a gas leak at the petcock it would be worse under acceleration than it would be tootin' along at half throttle. |
Originally Posted by RK1
(Post 126697)
I'm no guru, and I'm guessing, but what you describe, especially it clearing when you pull out the choke, sounds more like a carb/jetting issue to me than a vacuum problem.
Whatever gurus there are around here might be more help if you detail what exhaust you are running, are the carb jets and needles stock or after market and if so what is the set up? Are the air filter and airbox stock or aftermarket/modified? Are you sure that the carbs are fully seated in the manifold booties and all four bands are tightened down? Is the TPS set properly? Are you certain it is a "half throttle" condition not a "constant throttle" (as opposed to accelerating throttle) condition? Seems to me also that if it was caused by a gas leak at the petcock it would be worse under acceleration than it would be tootin' along at half throttle. Does this info help with the diagnosis any more? Thanks again Chris |
If the choke fixes it it's lean. That can be improper jet sizes or a vacuum leak bypassing the carbs.
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Like I said, I'm no expert, I'm guessing. But if the carbs are seated good and your vacuum hoses are where they belong and have no holes, I'd check the tps. Before I adjusted mine from 860+ to 499 my bike wouldn't exactly stumble, but felt goofy like it was fighting itself a little at constant throttle and small throttle changes weren't smooth.
If you have a multimeter it only takes a few moments to check the tps resistance. But it still sounds like a carb/jetting problem to me. You say you changed the carbs but do you know what main jets are in them and are they the right size to run with the Graves exhaust? Do the carbs have the OEM needles or aftermarket maybe set too low? I don't know anything about the Graves exhaust but assume it flows freer than stock and if much so the stock jets and needles would leave you running lean, especially noticeable at constant throttle, which is what sounds like is happening. |
One other thing. Did you sync the carbs? Even when everything else on my VTR is dialed in, I have to sync the carbs every time I pull them or it won't run right. And even when they are in spec per the manual, my bike runs better when I take the time dial them in better than mere spec.
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Originally Posted by RK1
(Post 126760)
Like I said, I'm no expert, I'm guessing. But if the carbs are seated good and your vacuum hoses are where they belong and have no holes, I'd check the tps. Before I adjusted mine from 860+ to 499 my bike wouldn't exactly stumble, but felt goofy like it was fighting itself a little at constant throttle and small throttle changes weren't smooth.
If you have a multimeter it only takes a few moments to check the tps resistance. But it still sounds like a carb/jetting problem to me. You say you changed the carbs but do you know what main jets are in them and are they the right size to run with the Graves exhaust? Do the carbs have the OEM needles or aftermarket maybe set too low? I don't know anything about the Graves exhaust but assume it flows freer than stock and if much so the stock jets and needles would leave you running lean, especially noticeable at constant throttle, which is what sounds like is happening. thanks again, Chris |
You guys are all over the obvious stuff but if all the obvious stuff doesn't work it sounds like an intermittent air leak into the intake or manifold. Go back over all your rubber and look for the smallest of imperfections. Likely you'll run across a major problem. Best of luck and keep us posted.
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nuhawk is right and one of the things I'd check is the O rings that seal the carb bodies to the bottom of the airbox.
I'd do these easy-quick things first but if problem persists, and since you haven't done it yet, I'd pull and open those carbs and see what is in them. The VTR carbs can be a pain in the ass to dial in and plenty of guys fook 'em up good way before 4300 miles. I had mine off 5 or 6 times before I got them jetted real good for my slip ons. |
Originally Posted by nuhawk
(Post 126789)
You guys are all over the obvious stuff but if all the obvious stuff doesn't work it sounds like an intermittent air leak into the intake or manifold. Go back over all your rubber and look for the smallest of imperfections. Likely you'll run across a major problem. Best of luck and keep us posted.
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Originally Posted by BiggDaddyKool
(Post 126786)
Not sure on the needles and jets on the carbs with the new motor but it only had 4300 miles on it and was on a layed down 2004 model that had no other visible mods so Im *assuming* it was all stock.
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First, where was the petcock leaking from? The fuel nipples or the vacuum nipple? How about the nipple from the bottom? That one's the vent and shouldn't have anything going to it.
If the petcock is not the problem then I think you just need to rejet. You can get by with shimming the needles with small washers but jetting will net you better rideability overall. |
Originally Posted by MotorToad
(Post 126813)
Not at all a safe assumption. When someone lays a bike down and wants to sell it he's going to replace the easy stuff with the fresh stock items he removed, but he's not going to take the time to undo all the difficult mods he made that aren't initially apparent... i.e. carb work.
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Originally Posted by Hawkrider
(Post 126837)
First, where was the petcock leaking from? The fuel nipples or the vacuum nipple? How about the nipple from the bottom? That one's the vent and shouldn't have anything going to it.
. Im leaning now toward the o-ring seals on the bottom of the air box because I dont recall seeing them on the new airbox or the TPS but adjusting the TPS sounds like a job in itself so Im gonna take NuHawks (I think thats who it was) advise and chase down the easy stuff first. Thanks a great deal guys... keep the brain storming coming.. this site is the best!!!! Thanks again, Chris |
The seals between the airbox and the carbs are a formed rubber o-ring that seats in a recess on the carb body. They generally never come out unless you intentionally take them out.
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Originally Posted by Hawkrider
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The seals between the airbox and the carbs are a formed rubber o-ring that seats in a recess on the carb body. They generally never come out unless you intentionally take them out.
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Respectfully and with all good will, I think you are assuming things that you would be better served by taking 30 or 40 minutes to actually check out.
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Originally Posted by RK1
(Post 127236)
Respectfully and with all good will, I think you are assuming things that you would be better served by taking 30 or 40 minutes to actually check out.
The great thing about a Superhawk is you dont have to ride very long to run out a full tank of fuel so its easy to mess with taking the tank off:o:o I cant thank you guys enough for your help, Chris |
BDK;
What I was thinking when I wrote that is this; You've had several guys suggest that based on their experience, it sounds like a carb/jetting problem. You are assuming, because it happens with both sets of carbs, that it can't be. But even if the the second set of carbs are bone stock, which you can't know unless you check them out, there is enough variation on VTRs from bike to bike, let alone year to year, that the same carbs could have worked well with the old engine and your Graves exhaust but not with the new engine and Graves exhaust. I'd also consider that the difference between a dirty plugged up air filter and a fresh one could be the difference between running OK with stock jetting and having a flat spot or stumble 'cause the stock jetting is a bit lean for your exhaust. I'm just saying I think it a mistake to rule out the carbs unless and until you pull them, check them out and fiddle with them a bit, maybe open the mixture screws, go up a main jet size etc. And whether it is the carbs, tps or anything else you hook up to a different engine from a different bike, I don't think it safe to assume it will work exactly the same without any adjustment. |
Originally Posted by RK1
(Post 127266)
BDK;
What I was thinking when I wrote that is this; You've had several guys suggest that based on their experience, it sounds like a carb/jetting problem. You are assuming, because it happens with both sets of carbs, that it can't be. But even if the the second set of carbs are bone stock, which you can't know unless you check them out, there is enough variation on VTRs from bike to bike, let alone year to year, that the same carbs could have worked well with the old engine and your Graves exhaust but not with the new engine and Graves exhaust. I'd also consider that the difference between a dirty plugged up air filter and a fresh one could be the difference between running OK with stock jetting and having a flat spot or stumble 'cause the stock jetting is a bit lean for your exhaust. I'm just saying I think it a mistake to rule out the carbs unless and until you pull them, check them out and fiddle with them a bit, maybe open the mixture screws, go up a main jet size etc. And whether it is the carbs, tps or anything else you hook up to a different engine from a different bike, I don't think it safe to assume it will work exactly the same without any adjustment. |
BDK;
Believe me, as someone who has TWICE had to visit my friendly Honda dealer and spend $33 for the parts package with the cheese-ass plastic enrichment valve fastener (which ought to cost .29) , I understand your reluctance to pull down the carbs. The good news is that once you've done it 5 or 6 times it gets easier! I also discovered after spending that $66 that if willing to work at the bike instead of the work bench, I could access the pilot screws, float bowls and vacuum chambers without detaching the choke cables. |
Originally Posted by RK1
(Post 127349)
BDK;
Believe me, as someone who has TWICE had to visit my friendly Honda dealer and spend $33 for the parts package with the cheese-ass plastic enrichment valve fastener (which ought to cost .29) , I understand your reluctance to pull down the carbs. The good news is that once you've done it 5 or 6 times it gets easier! I also discovered after spending that $66 that if willing to work at the bike instead of the work bench, I could access the pilot screws, float bowls and vacuum chambers without detaching the choke cables. |
Its about riding season guys so what size jets do you think I should try? Or do you suggest me going with th .040 shim job I have in the second set of carbs already and just seeing where that gets me? If you think taking the shims out and jetting is best I may try that. Let me know what you think.Which jets to change and size to go to if possible.
Thanks in Advance |
Refresh my memory. What mods?
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