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434josh 02-11-2008 04:37 PM

backfire question...
 
Ok, I have had my sh for a month this week. It is my second carb'd v-twin the first being a sv 650. My question is this...under 2 conditions it backfires thru the carbs. One being if i let it idle for 10 seconds and then snap the throttle about a quarter to a third open to clear it out. The other is when I decel using engine braking and then clutch and pop the throttle to downshift. The second case is much worse and I can feel it in the tank with my legs.
Now, the funny thing is, my bone stock Sv did the exact same thing only didn't seem as bad since it was only a 650 and just didn't have the wallop the vtr does. I am afraid it is going to blow off a vac line if it hasn't already.

My thoughts are that it is lean either because of jetting or vac leak of some sort. However, my fear is an intake valve not sealing perfectly but I would think if it were a valve I would notice some suffering performance as well. Are there any particular vac lines that commonly come loose that I should look for first? I plan to do some jetting/dyno tuning soon, but not for at least 3 weeks and I don't want to damage anything riding it as a daily if there is a problem.
Any suggestions?

bristunt 02-19-2008 05:56 PM

Mate, mine did the same till I had it re-jetted with a factory pro kit. Only problem is cruise fuel economy went out the window, but it really hauls ass now. Still fiddling to get it just right and to try bring the fuel economy back a little.

Hawkrider 02-19-2008 06:13 PM

+1 A good carb sync and adjusting mixture screws to 2 turns out will help too.

skokievtr 02-19-2008 06:15 PM

#1 it is a big V-twin with the largest carbs Honda ever put on ANY production motorcycle or car (I believe).

#2 check your idle speed is 1300~1400 rpm AND the carbs are properly (idle & mid-range) synced (balanced), and maybe turn out your mixture screws a bit.

#3 remove the PAIR system (lots of how-2s on forum) and be sure you have no leaks at the head-to-cyclinder gaskets, and re-route the carb breather lines (again check how-2s)

#4 don't do what you were doing, at least there should be no need to "clear it out" (or check your plugs)

Motohead 02-23-2008 10:44 AM

Mine popped on decel even after removing PAIR. Going back to a 45 pilot and 2.25 out on the mixture did it for me.

redman 02-23-2008 12:33 PM

Mine pops on decel after removal of PAIR too. I kind of like it.
Screws are 2.5 out but I don't know what pilot jets are as the PO stated he had the "Factory" kit in it. May be 48s.

divingindaytona 02-23-2008 06:50 PM


Originally Posted by Motohead (Post 153148)
Mine popped on decel even after removing PAIR.


This is a symptom of being to lean

Motohead 02-23-2008 07:32 PM


Originally Posted by divingindaytona (Post 153196)
This is a symptom of being to lean

Prolly so, at least with the mains. I went from 180/182.5, 50 pilot, clips in the 4th (forgot to count where the mixture was) to 182.5/185, 45, 2.25 out clips in the second. She runs like the proverbial raped ape now.

redman 02-24-2008 10:26 AM

Going up on the mains may get the mixture you need for your engine set-up but has nothing to do with popping on decel. The slides are closed on decel. Any mixture getting by is on the pilot and idle circuit.
No attitude, just info....:)

Motohead 02-24-2008 03:58 PM

Whatever the case, I admit to being carb stupid; I'm an EFI guy. I'd still be lost if it wasn't for this site. All I know is it popped just as much after disabling PAIR as it did before then went away entirely after the said rejet.

inderocker 02-24-2008 07:19 PM

Anyhow, back on topic... I believe he's talking about the carbs spitting through the air filter not the exhaust popping on decel.

In my experience, when the carbs are spitting through the air box it signifies a lean condition. Depending on the rpm range where it happens, you will have to adjust the appropriate jet/needle (pilot/idle - needle/off idle - main/wot

My bike spit through the carbs at idle when the pilot was too lean and also from 1k-5k rpm when the needle was too lean.

As for presetting the mixture screw... IMHO, I think it's bogus (no offense to anyone). I think the best way to set the mixture screw is via idle drop. No 2 carbs or cylinders or any combination are completely identical.

Hawkrider 02-25-2008 03:08 PM

The problem with the idle drop method is that it was designed by Honda to be as lean as possible to pass emissions and still be somewhat rideable. Richening the ole girl up is what she really wants.

bristunt 02-25-2008 03:08 PM

I'll concur that you have to treat the lean issue wherever it is occuring.

Mine was throttle blipping going down through gears and off idle.

Not knowing much yet I went with "recomendations" to install a Factory pro 1.0 kit.

The recomendations in the kit indicated certain jet sizings depending upon what pipes and filter you have. My spanner guy installed as per those recomendations and it ended up running far to rich mid to top end. Fuel range suffered terribly. So I've slowly been refining myself and have almost ended up back at stock mains, with a 48 pilot and the factory pro needles. So in hindsight I could have saved myself some money in just buying a pair of 48 pilots and shimming the stock needles.

Just my 2 cents worth

pwshadow 06-07-2010 08:16 PM

I live in colorado and when I accelerate heavily the let of the throttle and use engine braking i get a loud exhaust pop. is that normal?

residentg 06-08-2010 03:07 AM

Have you removed the PAIR valves? Look in KB section.

Highend Cans 06-08-2010 11:19 AM

Hi all ,hav had this problem since i got mine,, no matter wat u do,, either carbs jetts,, idle speed,, do wat u like,,, am on stage 2 jettin,, n running @ 1300 rpm,, no poppin ,, only when i changing down,, sounds great,, my fuel econ' has imroved,, sine gettin carbs redone after jettin,,, she was 1 thirsty b***h before,, I just leave it now,, my power is up, econ' is good, no probs,,, hey if it aint broke,, dont fix it ,,,lol

Tweety 06-08-2010 12:21 PM

And just clarify... (I know, doubt you do) what is stage 2 jetting?!

Either you re-jet ie you swap jets & needles or you don't... There is no stage 2... But in tuning/(re-)building an engine there might be stage 1 & stage 2 indicating how much you swap out...


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