2010 Honda V4
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2010 Honda V4
Surprised nobody else started a thread:
http://motorcycles.about.com/od/conc...da-V4-Concept/
Hard to say if it'll really happen given how the economy has changed since this got off the ground but if they build a bike in the spirit of the concept (lean, light) then this could be the VFR we all hoped for before the current model was released (500lb tank).
http://motorcycles.about.com/od/conc...da-V4-Concept/
Hard to say if it'll really happen given how the economy has changed since this got off the ground but if they build a bike in the spirit of the concept (lean, light) then this could be the VFR we all hoped for before the current model was released (500lb tank).
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It's not my taste, but I appreciate the experimentation.
One of the reasons I like the SH is its simple, form-follows-function design. I had a VFR prior to my VTR and, while I initially liked the geared cams and single sided swing arm, the simplicity of the VTR drew me over.
One of the reasons I like the SH is its simple, form-follows-function design. I had a VFR prior to my VTR and, while I initially liked the geared cams and single sided swing arm, the simplicity of the VTR drew me over.
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The VFR concept is impossible (currently) from a development standpoint but a 800cc V4 with 110+hp and a lot of torque in a revised/refined 600rr chassis would be pretty great and somewhat easily developed, no?
Triumph has been "pulling a Honda" by producing the Daytona 675, a high performance sportbike with no racing class to promote it with and it's been quite successful. This was a similar path our beloved VTR took to development.
Triumph has been "pulling a Honda" by producing the Daytona 675, a high performance sportbike with no racing class to promote it with and it's been quite successful. This was a similar path our beloved VTR took to development.
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Wait a minute guys don't forget that yamaha made a single sided touring bike about 15 years ago (can't remember what it was called). So I would'nt say the concept is impossible. Also Aprillia's new race bike is a V4, so just like Honda went after Ducati in the late 90s with a v twin race bike I can see them doing the same. They can call it the RC45II. I don't think it would be a production version of the concept bike pictured above, but a V4 to replace the CBR 1000.
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The VFR concept is impossible (currently) from a development standpoint but a 800cc V4 with 110+hp and a lot of torque in a revised/refined 600rr chassis would be pretty great and somewhat easily developed, no?
Triumph has been "pulling a Honda" by producing the Daytona 675, a high performance sportbike with no racing class to promote it with and it's been quite successful. This was a similar path our beloved VTR took to development.
Triumph has been "pulling a Honda" by producing the Daytona 675, a high performance sportbike with no racing class to promote it with and it's been quite successful. This was a similar path our beloved VTR took to development.
Interesting is'nt it? that some of the greatest high performance bikes have been designed without a specific racing class. CBR 900RR, R1, Triumph 675. I know if Honda tuned up the 800 cc V4 engine to about 120 hp, and put it in a CBR type chassis a couple years ago I'd be looking for a clean used 1 now to replace my aging Hawk.
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Surprised nobody else started a thread:
http://motorcycles.about.com/od/conc...da-V4-Concept/
Hard to say if it'll really happen given how the economy has changed since this got off the ground but if they build a bike in the spirit of the concept (lean, light) then this could be the VFR we all hoped for before the current model was released (500lb tank).
http://motorcycles.about.com/od/conc...da-V4-Concept/
Hard to say if it'll really happen given how the economy has changed since this got off the ground but if they build a bike in the spirit of the concept (lean, light) then this could be the VFR we all hoped for before the current model was released (500lb tank).
I think those tires might grab pretty good after scuffing the paint off of them !
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Wait a minute guys don't forget that yamaha made a single sided touring bike about 15 years ago (can't remember what it was called). So I would'nt say the concept is impossible. Also Aprillia's new race bike is a V4, so just like Honda went after Ducati in the late 90s with a v twin race bike I can see them doing the same. They can call it the RC45II. I don't think it would be a production version of the concept bike pictured above, but a V4 to replace the CBR 1000.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOEU_elKTfw
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I can question the V4 and I4 configuration on a performance standpoint, to me for power and weight the I4 wins, maybe if weight is desired toward the back of the bike the V4 could have an advantage, they tend to have very heavy cranks, like 2 VTR cranks welded together at 180°, may be awesome for vibrations.
Maybe if they torch cut those two center counterweight and underbalance the engine, they could trade some vibrations to win races, it would create a nut rattling front/rear axis rotational vibration.
Maybe if they torch cut those two center counterweight and underbalance the engine, they could trade some vibrations to win races, it would create a nut rattling front/rear axis rotational vibration.
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Oh, I meant the hubless wheel configuraion. The SS front end has been tested a number of times successfully (Elf racing bikes of the late 80's, that Yamaha), I think because it costs space between the engine and front axle it's been backburnered.
Is a V-4 crank heavier? It would be shorter, wouldn't it? V-Engines are narrower, that's the appeal for motorcycles.
Is a V-4 crank heavier? It would be shorter, wouldn't it? V-Engines are narrower, that's the appeal for motorcycles.
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Oh, I meant the hubless wheel configuraion. The SS front end has been tested a number of times successfully (Elf racing bikes of the late 80's, that Yamaha), I think because it costs space between the engine and front axle it's been backburnered.
Is a V-4 crank heavier? It would be shorter, wouldn't it? V-Engines are narrower, that's the appeal for motorcycles.
Is a V-4 crank heavier? It would be shorter, wouldn't it? V-Engines are narrower, that's the appeal for motorcycles.
I4 have a more natural balance, in fact you could have no counterweight at all, but the crank would flex, so they add some, most of the crank weight is close to the center axis, at equal weight they have a very different rotational inertia.
But with all the added counterweight, they may come very close, taking flywheel weight off may offset this
What about a big bang V4, the sound and feel of a twin and the power of a 4 jugs, sounds like heaven to me
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I was watching MotoGP from 08' last night and noticed the Yamaha's had the "big bang" sound/firing order but the V-engines (honda/Ducati) did not, at least not that I could hear (thought they were "naturally" big bang engines because of the V-configuration) though I don't know enough about engines internally to discern beyond what I hear.
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Ladies and gentlemen, Honda's 2010 V4 1237cc VFR1200F:
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/...008vfr1200.htm
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/...008vfr1200.htm
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Ladies and gentlemen, Honda's 2010 V4 1237cc VFR1200F:
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/...008vfr1200.htm
http://www.superbikeplanet.com/2009/...008vfr1200.htm
You think we can fit that swing arm on to VTR?
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I like the look of the CBR1000RR but this I really don't like at all. I think it sucks that the 1st gen VFR I knew and loved has morphed into an Imperial Galactic Tourer at this point. Maybe 20 years down the road when I'm 60 I'll appreciate this bike. I'm just not feeling this bike at all.
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Yea, the styling will be a little bit of an effort to get accustomed to I think. I just got back from class and haven't read any of the details on the specs. I found the page and forwarded it on here to share at dinner and had to jet and I'll have to read into it all further.
But in the meantime, I did take a moment just now to dig a lil' further into a few things and came up with a few.
First is a demo' of the manual and auto dual clutch thing they have going on it with a video of the prototype:
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/ne...200/index.html
And this one here has 20' something pics':
http://motorcycles.about.com/od/newb...nda-VFR-1200F/
But in the meantime, I did take a moment just now to dig a lil' further into a few things and came up with a few.
First is a demo' of the manual and auto dual clutch thing they have going on it with a video of the prototype:
http://www.motorcyclistonline.com/ne...200/index.html
And this one here has 20' something pics':
http://motorcycles.about.com/od/newb...nda-VFR-1200F/
