IceBud’s CBR1000RR front end swap
04-09-2006, 09:09 PM
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IceBud’s CBR1000RR front end swap
Hi guys!
This weekend was THE weekend, after 4 month of parts looking, theory and calculation about front end swap, it was the time to put this in practical!
So, here is a “short” resume and some pics about the progress of my front end swap.
First, here's the list of the parts I’ve used:
CBR1000RR fork
CBR1000RR calliper and master cylinder
CBR1000RR wheel
CBR1000RR front fender
CBR929RR top triple clamp
CBR954RR lower triple clamp
All ***** 05-751 Steering bearing ( fit VTR, CBR 929, 954, 600F4 and others )
Like the max of pics per post is three, see the pics by number in the following posts.
Pics of the bike at T=0.
Pics 1, 2, 3
First I take of the CBR1000RR top and lower triple from the 1000RR fork. I replace the lower bearing on the 954 lower by the brand new conical one and I fit the lower on the fork. Before to take off the 1000RR lower I’ve marked is position on the fork for reference. Thus I slide the 954 lower to these marks, after I put the nuts and the 929 upper triple and tighten the lower screws to secure it on the fork.
CBR1000RR complete front end.
Pic 4
CBR1000RR fork with 954 lower and 929 upper triple.
Pics 5, 6
As the new fork was ready to put on, it was time to remove to stock VTR fork, pretty simple as operation so I won’t elaborate more on this. I also remove the clip-ons and all the control. After the stock fork was remove I clean up the inside of the frame and I replace the cup for the new bearing ( up and down ).
VTR1000F without the fork
Pics 7, 8, 9
Now it was time to make the first attempt of the swap. All was sliding well, bearing fit perfectly and top and lower triple seem to fit also well! At this point I was very surprise on how it goes!
I take several time to look at this new assemblies and I find that I was facing two problem:
1 the steering would not turn completely because the steering stop on the lower triple hit the VTR upper fairing holder assembly.
Pic 10
2. Even if the steering won’t goes at full turn it already hit the upper hose that join the two side radiator ( just upper the oil cooler).
Pics 11, 12
Thus, I tried to figure out how I will solve these problems and if the solution for the #1 seem to be easy; take the grinder and remove some material on the lower stopper, the solution for the problem #2 have require more reflexion. So, I take some time to think what I will do for this at the same time I was making some clean up of the worktable when I saw the 1/2x1/8 flat aluminium flat bar I have purchase some time ago to fit the Powerbronze twin headlight I’ve purchase used on ebay this winter ( will post pics of this later ) Thus, I think that maybe I can make some tinny bracket to just pull back the radiator a bit and then clear the way for the lower triple.
In order to test this theory, first I’ve tried to pull back the right radiator, I saw that the lower hose prevent me to do this, thus I decided to cut it as that don’t cost to much to replace if it will not work. I cutted it and saw that I can easily move the radiator back from at least ¾ of an inch.
Pics 13, 14
Thus, I started to fabricate the four brackets that will allow to hold the side radiator to their new position.
Pic 15
I installed them and after I putted back the fairings I saw that the radiator was a bit to wide because of the bracket thickness, thus I decided to cut the original bushing from the inside, like this I will save 1/8 ( the thickness of the flat bar ) and everything should be OK.
Pics 16, 17, 18
I was also remembered that the radiator could be more higher in the fairing in order that we don’t see the side of the protection grill, so I move up a bit the bracket upward and the final result with the fairings on very satisfied me!
Pics 19, 20, 21
After I remove the fork to perform the cut of the steering stop on the lower triple, have to do this twice as I have not remove enough material the first time but the second attempt was the good one.
The new fork back in place now turn fully on both side and the steering stop on the lower triple now hit the stopper on the frame, and with the new radiator position give just enough place to clear the lower triple!!
Pics 22, 23, 24
And the final pics are where I’m now with the project.
Pics 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30
It only miss me some higher clip-ons. After some measure calculation, I think the Convertibars will be a bit too thick to fit there ( I know to have write them an email that the Cyclo clamp are about 1.5" tall and about 1.5" from the fork to the outer part of the clamp, they could fit but this is sure that I will have to cut off the excess of the handle that are suppose to exceed the clamp. For more they are also pretty expensive and my pocket really began to be empty!
Anybody have some used CBR1000RR or 929/954 helibars for sale?
So, this is where I’m now with this project!!
Cheers
P.S.1: Sorry for the long post, I hope you will nevertheless enjoy!
P.S.2: Sorry for the fault, I’m not accustomed to write so long text as this!
This weekend was THE weekend, after 4 month of parts looking, theory and calculation about front end swap, it was the time to put this in practical!
So, here is a “short” resume and some pics about the progress of my front end swap.
First, here's the list of the parts I’ve used:
CBR1000RR fork
CBR1000RR calliper and master cylinder
CBR1000RR wheel
CBR1000RR front fender
CBR929RR top triple clamp
CBR954RR lower triple clamp
All ***** 05-751 Steering bearing ( fit VTR, CBR 929, 954, 600F4 and others )
Like the max of pics per post is three, see the pics by number in the following posts.
Pics of the bike at T=0.
Pics 1, 2, 3
First I take of the CBR1000RR top and lower triple from the 1000RR fork. I replace the lower bearing on the 954 lower by the brand new conical one and I fit the lower on the fork. Before to take off the 1000RR lower I’ve marked is position on the fork for reference. Thus I slide the 954 lower to these marks, after I put the nuts and the 929 upper triple and tighten the lower screws to secure it on the fork.
CBR1000RR complete front end.
Pic 4
CBR1000RR fork with 954 lower and 929 upper triple.
Pics 5, 6
As the new fork was ready to put on, it was time to remove to stock VTR fork, pretty simple as operation so I won’t elaborate more on this. I also remove the clip-ons and all the control. After the stock fork was remove I clean up the inside of the frame and I replace the cup for the new bearing ( up and down ).
VTR1000F without the fork
Pics 7, 8, 9
Now it was time to make the first attempt of the swap. All was sliding well, bearing fit perfectly and top and lower triple seem to fit also well! At this point I was very surprise on how it goes!
I take several time to look at this new assemblies and I find that I was facing two problem:
1 the steering would not turn completely because the steering stop on the lower triple hit the VTR upper fairing holder assembly.
Pic 10
2. Even if the steering won’t goes at full turn it already hit the upper hose that join the two side radiator ( just upper the oil cooler).
Pics 11, 12
Thus, I tried to figure out how I will solve these problems and if the solution for the #1 seem to be easy; take the grinder and remove some material on the lower stopper, the solution for the problem #2 have require more reflexion. So, I take some time to think what I will do for this at the same time I was making some clean up of the worktable when I saw the 1/2x1/8 flat aluminium flat bar I have purchase some time ago to fit the Powerbronze twin headlight I’ve purchase used on ebay this winter ( will post pics of this later ) Thus, I think that maybe I can make some tinny bracket to just pull back the radiator a bit and then clear the way for the lower triple.
In order to test this theory, first I’ve tried to pull back the right radiator, I saw that the lower hose prevent me to do this, thus I decided to cut it as that don’t cost to much to replace if it will not work. I cutted it and saw that I can easily move the radiator back from at least ¾ of an inch.
Pics 13, 14
Thus, I started to fabricate the four brackets that will allow to hold the side radiator to their new position.
Pic 15
I installed them and after I putted back the fairings I saw that the radiator was a bit to wide because of the bracket thickness, thus I decided to cut the original bushing from the inside, like this I will save 1/8 ( the thickness of the flat bar ) and everything should be OK.
Pics 16, 17, 18
I was also remembered that the radiator could be more higher in the fairing in order that we don’t see the side of the protection grill, so I move up a bit the bracket upward and the final result with the fairings on very satisfied me!
Pics 19, 20, 21
After I remove the fork to perform the cut of the steering stop on the lower triple, have to do this twice as I have not remove enough material the first time but the second attempt was the good one.
The new fork back in place now turn fully on both side and the steering stop on the lower triple now hit the stopper on the frame, and with the new radiator position give just enough place to clear the lower triple!!
Pics 22, 23, 24
And the final pics are where I’m now with the project.
Pics 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30
It only miss me some higher clip-ons. After some measure calculation, I think the Convertibars will be a bit too thick to fit there ( I know to have write them an email that the Cyclo clamp are about 1.5" tall and about 1.5" from the fork to the outer part of the clamp, they could fit but this is sure that I will have to cut off the excess of the handle that are suppose to exceed the clamp. For more they are also pretty expensive and my pocket really began to be empty!
Anybody have some used CBR1000RR or 929/954 helibars for sale?
So, this is where I’m now with this project!!
Cheers
P.S.1: Sorry for the long post, I hope you will nevertheless enjoy!
P.S.2: Sorry for the fault, I’m not accustomed to write so long text as this!
04-10-2006, 09:47 AM
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Re: IceBud’s CBR1000RR front end swap
Damn I am impressed. Long but consice and informative. How much you think you spent on this? both in time and in money? Also where did you find a wreck or parts CBR1000RR?
how much more do you have left before your done? and is it worth it? you can answer that one once you ride it
how much more do you have left before your done? and is it worth it? you can answer that one once you ride it
04-10-2006, 01:54 PM
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hehe, thx guys!
In fact, it's the text that have been the more long to write for me as I'm a "Frog" from Quebec so english writing is not yet already natural for me! But I would like nevertheless to post it here as you guys are the best VTR community I ever find!
Picture was easy to post and this is only a few pictures of the project, for now I've already take 90 pics!! Thx do digital camera! I like to keep a logbook with the work I do on my toys, I was doing the same previously when I was a fan of modified Toyota pick-up!
I got the front suspension from my used part dealer, the bike was a REPSOL 2005 that have been stolen/retrieved, but it was missing so many parts that it should have been too much expensive to rebuild. So, the insurance company sold the rest of the bike in parts and I had the help of my friend to get a good price on it. Because two weeks before they get this bike, I had informed them that I was looking for a fork of 929/954, so he take a chance to offer me this one as it was close! Hope it will stay a good guess...
For now, I've spend almost 700$$ CDN including the fork, on a total budjet of 1000$. My thinking was, If i'm able to buy a rear shock of 1000$ ( see my previous post about my Wilbers shock ) why should I not put the same amount on the front suspension?
For now, it only miss me the clip-ons to figure out what I will do with this!? But as the CBR1000RR fork is only 12mm shorter than the 929/954, I'm sure I will be able to find something that will fit. This is sure that with the room it left me, I don't think the Convertibars will fit as my previous think. Thus, I'm looking to find a good deal on some used TL1000 or 929/954 or CBR1000RR clip-ons!
I will also have to repaint the front fender as mine is red ( buy from ebay ) And like I will have to do some paint, I think I will catch this opportunities to also paint some other parts on the bike, I'm not sure yet which other parts will pass under the gun, but I will figure this next weekend!
For the time, like I said, it take me 4 months to get all parts, I've also pass many hours getting as much informations as possible on the net about from end swap, with 929/954 fork and others, by the way, I must thanks everyone who have helped me with this, this is appreciated.
For the working time, it tooks me all the weekend, to get from the stock bike to where I'm now!
Anybody for the clip-ons? Still looking for some!
Thx again and cia
Ice
In fact, it's the text that have been the more long to write for me as I'm a "Frog" from Quebec
so english writing is not yet already natural for me! But I would like nevertheless to post it here as you guys are the best VTR community I ever find!Picture was easy to post and this is only a few pictures of the project, for now I've already take 90 pics!! Thx do digital camera! I like to keep a logbook with the work I do on my toys, I was doing the same previously when I was a fan of modified Toyota pick-up!
I got the front suspension from my used part dealer, the bike was a REPSOL 2005 that have been stolen/retrieved, but it was missing so many parts that it should have been too much expensive to rebuild. So, the insurance company sold the rest of the bike in parts and I had the help of my friend to get a good price on it. Because two weeks before they get this bike, I had informed them that I was looking for a fork of 929/954, so he take a chance to offer me this one as it was close! Hope it will stay a good guess...
For now, I've spend almost 700$$ CDN including the fork, on a total budjet of 1000$. My thinking was, If i'm able to buy a rear shock of 1000$ ( see my previous post about my Wilbers shock ) why should I not put the same amount on the front suspension?
For now, it only miss me the clip-ons to figure out what I will do with this!? But as the CBR1000RR fork is only 12mm shorter than the 929/954, I'm sure I will be able to find something that will fit. This is sure that with the room it left me, I don't think the Convertibars will fit as my previous think. Thus, I'm looking to find a good deal on some used TL1000 or 929/954 or CBR1000RR clip-ons!
I will also have to repaint the front fender as mine is red ( buy from ebay ) And like I will have to do some paint, I think I will catch this opportunities to also paint some other parts on the bike, I'm not sure yet which other parts will pass under the gun, but I will figure this next weekend!
For the time, like I said, it take me 4 months to get all parts, I've also pass many hours getting as much informations as possible on the net about from end swap, with 929/954 fork and others, by the way, I must thanks everyone who have helped me with this, this is appreciated.
For the working time, it tooks me all the weekend, to get from the stock bike to where I'm now!
Anybody for the clip-ons? Still looking for some!
Thx again and cia
Ice
04-12-2006, 07:25 PM
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Since your last comments, I had a doubt, thus I redo all my calcul and I retake all the measurements and I've come to this conclusion:
Correct me If I've wrong but the only part that will affect the clip-ons position is the top triple clamp!? Thus, even if the 1000RR fork are shorter than the 929/954, like I've use the 929/954 top triple, I should have the same clearance of the fairings than any others who have use the 929/954 fork!?
Thus, if 929/954 helibars have worked well for them, then by deduction, they should also work well for me!?
Here's some other pics of the bike with the stock CBR1000RR clip-ons, they fit but they are very too low, thus the Helibars should solve this problem, if I can finally put the hand on some! At worst, I will be obligate to buy them new!!
cia
Correct me If I've wrong but the only part that will affect the clip-ons position is the top triple clamp!? Thus, even if the 1000RR fork are shorter than the 929/954, like I've use the 929/954 top triple, I should have the same clearance of the fairings than any others who have use the 929/954 fork!?
Thus, if 929/954 helibars have worked well for them, then by deduction, they should also work well for me!? Here's some other pics of the bike with the stock CBR1000RR clip-ons, they fit but they are very too low, thus the Helibars should solve this problem, if I can finally put the hand on some! At worst, I will be obligate to buy them new!!
cia
04-12-2006, 09:29 PM
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You have to reposition the throttle so the cable housing doesn't hit but other than that no problems. I didn't realize the 1000rr forks were even shorter than the 929/954 but I don't think it'll be too unstable. Good luck withe the heli search.
04-13-2006, 10:37 AM
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They hit at both place, upward and rearward, but it's only the rearward posistion that are very a problem because if I had not remove as much material on the steering stopper on the lower triple, they will not have hit upward but I had loose a bit of turn radius.
Like this, the hands clearance is also very too limited and the riding comfort should be very ugly... I guess!
The throttle cable, light wires and brake/clutch lines doesn't worry me either, at worst I will modify or change them! And if I need to do, by the way I will put stainless braided line, I've find a guy who accept to make me a mix kit: ( CBR1000RR front line with VTR1000F rear line and clutch ) and this is not too expensive, at least nothing to compare to the Helibars if I'm obligated to buy them new!!!
Thx!
04-14-2006, 08:08 AM
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Easiest fix for the trottle cables is to just file down the nub that puts them in that position and rotate the housing up. It's no big deal just run the cables so they go over the top of the brake lever insted of under. I didn't have to change my brake lines when I did my conversion but if you're replacing them anyway then go for the 1000rr lines.
04-14-2006, 08:18 AM
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Ok, thx!
Like I will be putting the 1000RR master cylinder and also calipers of course ( cheese! that I'm impatient to test these brakes on the hawk! ) I'm not sure if the stock brake line of the 1000RR will fit on some taller handlebar like Helibars? Will see...
I'm almost deseperate now, seem that I'm really not the only one who are looking for Helibars, I think I will be obligate to buy them new! And that will be very expensive for me, poor canadian with poor money and agressive customs!!
On the other hand, how can you describe your new riding position with your 929 set-up compare to the stock VTR, it's less comfortable for long ride, or... !!??
Thx!
Like I will be putting the 1000RR master cylinder and also calipers of course ( cheese! that I'm impatient to test these brakes on the hawk! ) I'm not sure if the stock brake line of the 1000RR will fit on some taller handlebar like Helibars? Will see...
I'm almost deseperate now, seem that I'm really not the only one who are looking for Helibars, I think I will be obligate to buy them new! And that will be very expensive for me, poor canadian with poor money and agressive customs!!
On the other hand, how can you describe your new riding position with your 929 set-up compare to the stock VTR, it's less comfortable for long ride, or... !!??
Thx!
04-14-2006, 08:32 AM
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ok! I was wondering, in the case that I'm obligate to buy the Helibars new, if I should not be better to take the CBR1000RR clip-ons set like they are stated at 1 3/4" taller compare to the 1 1/4" of the 929" Do you think this 1/2" taller could make a difference and/or cause some interference?
04-14-2006, 08:36 AM
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That would probably get you right about stock bar height for the SH. I don't know how much you want to spend but there are some TL helibars on Ebay with a buy it now price of $225.99 and a couple other sets for different bikes on auction. The TL bars are 1/4 inch higher than the 929 bars as well.
04-14-2006, 08:41 AM
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Yeah! I saw these TL clip-ons but you know if seller is not willing to help me save taxes and customs fees ( like it's habitually the case with ebay shop ) this is too expensive to buy from US, also with the shipping!! Thus in many case I have to give up!
04-14-2006, 08:56 AM
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You said right, happy crap! 
There's also some other that seem to be interesting: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWA%3APIC
But it's not mentionned if they also give rearward gain, they seem to be "only" taller, maybe they can fit, but that will be a 199$ US, guess! Unless you said that the 1 1/2" rearward gain of the 929 Helibars is not very usefull!?
There's also some other that seem to be interesting: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...K%3AMEWA%3APIC
But it's not mentionned if they also give rearward gain, they seem to be "only" taller, maybe they can fit, but that will be a 199$ US, guess! Unless you said that the 1 1/2" rearward gain of the 929 Helibars is not very usefull!?
04-14-2006, 09:02 AM
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Not bad. You can always move the bars further back, the numbers they give are with the locking bolt in place. You don't need to have that bolt in so you can move them. I also don't tighten the bars all the way incase of a crash so that the very expensive helibars won't bend as easily.
04-14-2006, 09:18 AM
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Yeah! that was also one of my fear, to bend one of these irreplaceable and expensive bars!! I'm knowing myself and with all these mods, I think I will be tempted to push a bit more the hawk and... !!
But, after all this money spend on this mod, maybe I would have to control myself! On the other hand, why make all these change if it's not to test them!?
Seem it's like the chicken and the egg circle!!
!!But, after all this money spend on this mod, maybe I would have to control myself! On the other hand, why make all these change if it's not to test them!?
Seem it's like the chicken and the egg circle!!
