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929 front end + TL 1000 helibars = Bingo!
so, my 929 front end upgrade is finally finished. got the bike back a couple weeks ago from the shop and just put on the fender to finish it off. . .
here's a little bit of history: i bought the bike mid summer, laid it down on some technical twisties (pushing it a little too much and met with some gravel and a sharp left turn, all my fault! :( ) . . . anyway, i twisted both forks! :x did some research and decided to go with the 929 front end, well that and because i found an entire front end for cheap. $850 CAN. so i looked over this forum and learned that the biggest issue is getting the right bars with a high enough rise to clear the upper fairing. . . here's where i'd like to thanks superhawk22 for being so patient in explaining how everything worked from swapping wheels to handlebar mods. . . thanks sh22! this was all very new to me. anyway, i knew that stock 929/954 bars wont work, others got away with any bar but that's because they streetfightered it and had no fairing to worry about. SH22 used 929 helibar but barely made it work with some cable bending. kudos for making that work! i called helibar and found that the TL 1000 helibar had a slightly higher rise than the 929 and gixxer helibars. so i took a gamble and ordered a set. (ouch! $239 US or $379 CAN shipped, the only thing i paid regular price for . . . but worth it!) took the bars and the front end to an awesome shop in the greater toronto area. after weeks of waiting, Daniel, my mechanic was able to put it all together with some fenagaling. the bars worked perfectly with lot's of room to spare and the bike still has an aggresive feel. not to mention awesome front end suspension and kick a$$ brakes!!! stock geometry was maintained, the distance measured from the axle to the stearing head was identical to stock vtr front end. all balls tapered head bearings where used. the front end already came with steal braided lines so bonus! here's the tl 1000 helibar. . . https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a3...helibar004.jpg we originally tried a gixxer helibar (with a rise that measured about 1.5"). that didn't work, it was too close to the upper fairing. so all we needed was a 2" rise from the top of the clamp to the bar. bars turned fully to the left. . . https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a3.../vtr929022.jpg https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a3.../vtr929021.jpg as you can see, the steering stops don't even touch, by fluke a bolt stops it just as the lower tripple touches the rad hose. https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a3.../vtr929020.jpg cables are clear. . . https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a3.../vtr929013.jpg https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a3.../vtr929010.jpg https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a3.../vtr929008.jpg the lower tripple just pushes the rad hose about a millimeter max. not enough to cause concern. don't know if i should wrap something around the hose to protect it. https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a3.../vtr929007.jpg bars turned fully to the right. . . https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a3.../vtr929019.jpg cables are clear. . . https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a3.../vtr929017.jpg https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a3.../vtr929013.jpg https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a3.../vtr929012.jpg rad hose on the right . . . https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a3.../vtr929011.jpg https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a3.../vtr929003.jpg https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a3.../vtr929006.jpg the only thing that was tricky was trying to line the right hand controls so that the cables are free. the throttle was positioned first so that the cables are free when the bars are turned fully to the left and right. however this didn't give enough room to fit the brake lever bracket and kill switch housing. all that was needed was maybe a millimeter and the weld that joins the riser to the bar stuck out enough to cause problems. so the solution was to grind off just a tad from the bracket to clear the weld and voila, bang on fit. cables are free. oh yah, and the bars are a little long but that's cool. i can just leave it or put bar ends or something. https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a3.../vtr929016.jpg since the bars have less movement, sharp slow speed turns are affected. something to get used to, it was a little unnerving at first. i can't do a full u turn on a regular street, gotta 3 point turn it. big thanks goes out to Daniel from S & L motorsports. His patience, expertise, and close attention to detail and safety is what made this mod a success! http://www.2wheelrepair.com/ i'd also like to thank the guys at Helibar for spending the time to answer all my querries and getting measurements for me and creating an awesome product! http://www.helibars.com/ here are all the threads on this forum regarding upgrading the front end: 929/954 front end https://www.superhawkforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=54 best front end https://www.superhawkforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=1608 929/954 headstem bearing numbers needed https://www.superhawkforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=1545 Clip ons to work with 954 swap? https://www.superhawkforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=1699 |
Excellent, glad it all worked out for you and I was more then happy to help anyway I could. Good idea calling them as that was the only real problem I ran into. (Well pretty much anyway). I told you that you would have a smile from ear to ear when you were done!
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BTW you got a twitchy submit button :lol: 3 posts!!!
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crazy, sorry moderators! the computer was slowing down, i hit the refresh button, everything was cool, i log out and go back and it posted 3 times! :roll:
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Originally Posted by superhawk22";p="
(Post 12729)
Excellent, glad it all worked out for you and I was more then happy to help anyway I could. Good idea calling them as that was the only real problem I ran into. (Well pretty much anyway). I told you that you would have a smile from ear to ear when you were done!
can't wait to hit some real twisties again and doin fast sweepers! . . . next year . . . . . :cry: |
anyone need stock VTR front end parts? everything's good except for the fork tubes . . . :lol:
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With the GSXR forks I went by the suzuki manual then adjusted to my wieght and ridding conditions after almost lowsiding it on the track. It was fine the first way I had it for street but wayyy to soft for track.
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my frotn axle has been scraped off on one side pretty bad... hows your?
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Re: 929 front end + TL 1000 helibars = Bingo!
Nice! Have you considered Convertibars?
www.convertibars.com I'm thinking about getting those for my 954 front end... Also, it looks like you need to change your clutch fluid... |
Re: 929 front end + TL 1000 helibars = Bingo!
Originally Posted by vtromey";p="
(Post 12727)
stock geometry was maintained, the distance measured from the axle to the stearing head was identical to stock vtr front end.
AFAIK, 929 triple clamp offset is 30 mm, 5 mm less than 35 mm of VTR stock one. Ciao |
Re: 929 front end + TL 1000 helibars = Bingo!
https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a3.../vtr929024.jpg
riccardo: hmm, will double check on that. well, either way, it's pretty close. i haven't felt any difference, it's not twitchy or unstable or anything. if anything it's better! gotbeef: thanks, dooh! next spring, i'll change the clutch fluid. never heard of convertibars! and trust me i searched everywhere! all i came up with was two bro's V3 adjustable and gilles variobar, both too expensive. . . well, if the convertibars don't work then you know what will! https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a3.../vtr929001.jpg https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a3.../vtr929004.jpg https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a3.../vtr929005.jpg |
Re: 929 front end + TL 1000 helibars = Bingo!
Originally Posted by Riccardo";p="
(Post 12755)
Originally Posted by vtromey";p="
(Post 12727)
stock geometry was maintained, the distance measured from the axle to the stearing head was identical to stock vtr front end.
AFAIK, 929 triple clamp offset is 30 mm, 5 mm less than 35 mm of VTR stock one. Ciao |
Re: 929 front end + TL 1000 helibars = Bingo!
Originally Posted by superhawk22";p="
(Post 12762)
You are correct Riccardo, the offset is a little different which is why it feels different at slow speed and dives into curves instead of having to muscle it into them.
You should have to push it harder into corners. Ciao |
Re: 929 front end + TL 1000 helibars = Bingo!
Well I can tell you it definetly is easier to turn into the curves, it actually took some getting used to at first. Possible from the forks being slightly shorter than stock.
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I checked the numbers on a trail and rake calculator. Because of the shorter forks it made less trail than stock.
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Re: 929 front end + TL 1000 helibars = Bingo!
i think you're right fellas, now that i think about it, i do notice a quicker steering response, more noticeable at slower speeds but very nice handling at faster speeds. i can't wait to get it set up right!
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Re: 929 front end + TL 1000 helibars = Bingo!
can i find out how i should set the front end based on my weight of 155lbs. or is it just about trial and error? and how do i match the rear set up?
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I would try to find the manual for the 929/954 online or someone you know and look for the suspension settings. With your weight, setting it to thier stock settings should be real close to what your looking for and you can play with it from there.
What kind of ridding do you do, street, aggressive street, track? This also makes a difference if you just do normal street then you can set it softer than if you do track. As far as the rear look at the superhawk suspension settings and go from there but a new shock is the best way to go. |
Originally Posted by superhawk22";p="
(Post 12782)
I checked the numbers on a trail and rake calculator. Because of the shorter forks it made less trail than stock.
What kind of rake-trail calculator do you have? Does it consider also fork length in calculation? I have one (by Tony Foale), but it's very simple. Ciao |
Originally Posted by superhawk22";p="
(Post 12827)
I would try to find the manual for the 929/954 online or someone you know and look for the suspension settings. With your weight, setting it to thier stock settings should be real close to what your looking for and you can play with it from there.
What kind of ridding do you do, street, aggressive street, track? This also makes a difference if you just do normal street then you can set it softer than if you do track. As far as the rear look at the superhawk suspension settings and go from there but a new shock is the best way to go. |
Re: 929 front end + TL 1000 helibars = Bingo!
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If you still have concerns about the throttle cables, check out how I arranged mine.... no binding for the cables on anything, and the same for the brake....
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Originally Posted by Riccardo";p="
(Post 12849)
Originally Posted by superhawk22";p="
(Post 12782)
I checked the numbers on a trail and rake calculator. Because of the shorter forks it made less trail than stock.
What kind of rake-trail calculator do you have? Does it consider also fork length in calculation? I have one (by Tony Foale), but it's very simple. Ciao If I can remeber I'll post a link to it, if you want it let me know. |
Re: 929 front end + TL 1000 helibars = Bingo!
Originally Posted by 2Phaast";p="
(Post 13019)
If you still have concerns about the throttle cables, check out how I arranged mine.... no binding for the cables on anything, and the same for the brake....
https://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a3.../vtr929013.jpg this worked just fine. |
Re: 929 front end + TL 1000 helibars = Bingo!
Looks great, i have just managed to source the entire front end off a 900RR and will match that up to my bike in the coming months, we shall see how difficult that will be. Custom Triple Clamp ahoy!
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Originally Posted by superhawk22";p="
(Post 13029)
If I can remeber I'll post a link to it, if you want it let me know.
Ciao |
Alright I'll try to find it again for you but I have a horrible memory and I always clear my computers history. So, no promises.
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Re: 929 front end + TL 1000 helibars = Bingo!
Don't worry!
I just have found some of them, simply using google!!!! Ciao |
:cool: That's how I found the one I used. I think it was Harry's choppers or something.
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