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Squid Jan 27, 2012 07:30 PM

PAIR and EVAP system removed, now fuel in air box.
 
Like the title says removed Evap and PAIR systems, capped and plugged IAW the Pair Removal thread.
Now however When I turn the petcock to the open possision I have fuel flowing up and out of the rear carburator thru the middle of the three holes, if not all of them that are located on the bottom. (facing forward toward the front carburator. Any Ideas as to why? Would it be due to float valve issues? Just replaced both and first time the bowls have been full of fuel. Just lost.:confused:

inderocker Jan 27, 2012 07:46 PM

Stuck float valve.

Squid Jan 27, 2012 07:48 PM

Thanks, I had a feeling. There goes my ride tomorrow. Thanks.

inderocker Jan 27, 2012 08:06 PM

Try tapping the bowl with the plastic end of the screwdriver. Sometimes that'll re-seat it.

VTRsurfer Jan 27, 2012 09:02 PM

My guess is that when you dropped the float back in, the needle fell off the float. You have to kind of put the float in place slowly, being careful that the needle doesn't fall out of its position cradled in the float, and that it drops down into its seat in the inlet valve. In any case, a teardown of the rear carb should find the problem.

Hey, it sucks, but it happens. It should still give you time to ride tomorrow.

After re reading our opening post, it sounds like you didn't remove the carbs. Double check the routing of the vacuum lines, and check for PVLIR. A needle doesn't just come off the seat unless you pulled or somehow jostled the carbs around. Also, check that the carb bowl vents are open, since those fed into the EVAP.

And how'd you end up with a bike with EVAP up in the Northwest?

8541Hawk Jan 27, 2012 09:05 PM


Originally Posted by VTRsurfer (Post 323709)
My guess is that when you dropped the float back in, the needle fell off the float. You have to kind of put the float in place slowly, being careful that the needle doesn't fall out of its position cradled in the float, and that it drops down into its seat in the inlet valve. In any case, a teardown of the rear carb should find the problem.

Hey, it sucks, but it happens. It should still give you time to ride tomorrow.

+1 ;)

Squid Jan 27, 2012 10:42 PM


Originally Posted by VTRsurfer (Post 323709)
My guess is that when you dropped the float back in, the needle fell off the float. You have to kind of put the float in place slowly, being careful that the needle doesn't fall out of its position cradled in the float, and that it drops down into its seat in the inlet valve. In any case, a teardown of the rear carb should find the problem.

Hey, it sucks, but it happens. It should still give you time to ride tomorrow.

After re reading our opening post, it sounds like you didn't remove the carbs. Double check the routing of the vacuum lines, and check for PVLIR. A needle doesn't just come off the seat unless you pulled or somehow jostled the carbs around. Also, check that the carb bowl vents are open, since those fed into the EVAP.

And how'd you end up with a bike with EVAP up in the Northwest?

I did remove the carbs for the rebuild, added new floats and float valves. I am 99.9% sure that I sat them correctly but I will tear into them tomorrow in the AM, Also I bought the bike in CA last April. So that explains that. Thanks for the input!

VTRsurfer Jan 27, 2012 10:54 PM

Now I fully understand that you had the carbs apart and replaced the floats... Duh.:confused:

Okay, so since that was the case, it's almost certain that the rear needle is not seated properly. Make sure it rests in the correct position on the float linkage. If you're not very careful, it falls off as you drop the float into position. It's not a 6 pack job.;)

Squid Jan 27, 2012 11:13 PM

What about a pitcher of IPA?:rolleyes: So I tapped the rear float bowl on both sides and it stoped. SWEET! But now the front is weaping, tapped bowl and is still weaping... Going to tear into it in the AM and see whats up. Hoping that I didnt get a bad float from the shop. I would much rather that I F-ed that up and have to wait on parts on the last decent day of the week to ride before the rain sets in. I would much rather break in new tires in the dry.;)

Squid Feb 10, 2012 05:37 PM

Sorry to bring up this old story but... I have replaced the floats and float valves and the fuel does not leak into the airbox when the bike is off, Yay! But now, when the bike is runningwhile looking down into the airbox there is fuel spouting out of the same 3 holes on the bottom of the mouth of the carbs. Has anyone incountered this problem before? Did I remove or plug a hose that didnt need to be? Thanks in advance!

Zmillion Jun 7, 2023 10:51 PM


Originally Posted by Squid (Post 324514)
Sorry to bring up this old story but... I have replaced the floats and float valves and the fuel does not leak into the airbox when the bike is off, Yay! But now, when the bike is runningwhile looking down into the airbox there is fuel spouting out of the same 3 holes on the bottom of the mouth of the carbs. Has anyone incountered this problem before? Did I remove or plug a hose that didnt need to be? Thanks in advance!

Hey Squid,
Did you end up finding a solution to this?
I am currently experiencing the same problem with mine :(

VTR1000F Jun 8, 2023 04:46 PM

Squid's post is 11 years old and Squid's last activity here was about 3-1/2 years ago, but stranger things have happened.

xeris Jun 8, 2023 05:27 PM


Originally Posted by VTR1000F (Post 415693)
Squid's post is 11 years old and Squid's last activity here was about 3-1/2 years ago, but stranger things have happened.

I looked to see how long it had been since Squid's last post and thought about making mention of it, but then I decided not to as I knew you would.

VTR1000F Jun 8, 2023 07:07 PM

Didn't want anyone lying in bed awake nights waiting for an answer.

And, you need to update your signature, xeris.

xeris Jun 9, 2023 05:04 AM


Originally Posted by VTR1000F (Post 415697)
Didn't want anyone lying in bed awake nights waiting for an answer.

And, you need to update your signature, xeris.

I've tried to several times. I get an error message, I'm baffled.

Squid Mar 25, 2024 07:26 PM

I did! it was a vacuum caused my be when i connected some tubing to the diaphragm vents so the needles were remaining open allowing fuel to flow up and out of the carbs and fill up the crank case and the intake / airbox. Sorry for the late reply. I just got the bike project started again.

Squid Mar 25, 2024 07:28 PM

Im still here, well alive. health issues, deployments and family had "Gotten in the way".


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