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Originally Posted by xeris (Post 348384)

Welcome.
As I put my face in my hands, it's another oil thread!
Please do some research about oils or a link to the info that supports your opinion.
Not being an ass, just saying.

40+ years as an enthusiast, 30+ years in the motorcycle industry, numerous seminars & discussions with oil engineers. I figure they should know best. I also have some experience in racing going back to the 60's, when I was a wee lad. Having been in on numerous dyno sessions, trying different oils as well as various other components, if you are not using a motorcycle specific oil, you are leaving horsepower and reliability behind. Hell, the marked improvement in the way the bike shifts should be enough to prove the point.
Believe me or not, I personally don't give a rats ass, it's your bike (mis)treat it how you wish, after all, it's your repair bill, not mine.

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Originally Posted by smokinjoe73 (Post 348390)

All oils are the same.

I dont believe that but this is an oil thread and I refuse to not goof on it.

Oh contrare, all oils are not the same. They actually can start off from various different base stocks. There are shale sourced oils and crude stock sourced oils as well as synthetic based oils which can come from either of the previous mentioned sources or from living bio sources. Any of these have varying different properties and need to be distilled and refined in somewhat different ways.
If all oils are the same, try running 3-in-1 oil in your bike and see how far it gets.

Well smokinjoe73, you've really done it now!

Anecdotal evidence doesn't work for me.

Yeah xeris, the just put it into different container.

I have a bad feeling about this.

It's a slippery subject. So the idea is to filter out the goofiest ideas, then everything will mesh without abrupt issues. :cool:

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Originally Posted by Aquasnake (Post 348401)

40+ years as an enthusiast, 30+ years in the motorcycle industry, numerous seminars & discussions with oil engineers. I figure they should know best.

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I also have some experience in racing going back to the 60's, when I was a wee lad. Having been in on numerous dyno sessions, trying different oils as well as various other components

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if you are not using a motorcycle specific oil, you are leaving horsepower and reliability behind.

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Hell, the marked improvement in the way the bike shifts should be enough to prove the point.

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Believe me or not, I personally don't give a rats ass, it's your bike (mis)treat it how you wish, after all, it's your repair bill, not mine.

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Originally Posted by Aquasnake (Post 348361)

Automotive oils, whether synthetic or non synthetic, are NOT designed to be run in motorcycle engines. They do not have the same polymers to keep the gears in the transmission from beating them into submission within a few hundred miles. THAT is why there are motorcycle specific oils. They are designed to take the punishment that the gearbox will put it through. PERIOD.

You sir are absolutely correct. Motorcycle oils are designed to work with the wet clutch and more so the transmission. Car engines don't have any such stresses that oils need to go through and the sheer point in the motorcycle oils are improved for being ground up in the gears.

Also back to the initial topic oil filters aren't all created the same even if they have the same dimensions and thread size. As stated Fram filters are JUNK! I generally run factory Honda filters or the K&N's that my buddy carries at his shop. Filter media can be vastly different in filtering ability and flow, either of which can adversely affect your engine.

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Originally Posted by superbling (Post 76707)

I can't believe no one really jumped on this thread especially since it's in the middle of PMS for lots of folks! :D What a great fourm.

On the VFR forum, there is a research engineer who lives right up the road from me (in Texas terms) who eats and sleeps engine oil properties. He runs dyno's 24/7 for a research instititue and analyzes chemical breakdown specimens of all kinds of oils.

I'll save you TONS of reading from that site: mobil one gold cap (used to be a red cap) 15w/50 synthetic. Their m/c specific oils do return better analysis but not enough to justify the much higher cost. He's anal enough to run the V-twin formula tho'. He also says a very good and much cheaper alternative is shell rotella synthetic (about $12 a jug at wallyworld). Don't use energy conserving (EC) oils. Change frequently. That's it.

Another story that "sold" me on mobil one years ago. I personally know a former owner of a top level open wheel auto (not formula 1) US race team who's main sponsor was an oil company. Late at night, they would poor mobil one (zero weight!) into the company's yellow (hint, hint) empties to use in public! :lol: :lol:

Absolutely ressurecting this thread from the dead, but I just wanted to say how delighted I am at the switch to 15w-50 mobil 1 with the high zinc. I couldn't find the 'gold cap' stuff at walmart so I bought the regular stuff. I can even BELIEVE how different shifting feels. Solid yet smooth. What a difference, all due to oil weight. Also started using a bosch 3300. Top notch stuff.