Haynes Manual ??????????
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Haynes Manual ??????????
ok so im looking to buy a haynes manual for my SH... I have a 2002... there are a few on ebay and my question is this... There is a cheaper one that covers 97-00 and a more expensive one for 97-07... I would rather buy the cheaper one... Is there any huge diff between the 97-00 and the 01-05? Or will all the stuff be the same?
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Food for thought...........
If "SomeBody" was selling maps.. Would you want to buy one that
1) may get you there
2) Get you there
Buy a Honda Service manual.. You should - Inquire if the added pages (of the updates) have been glued in.....
Has the dealerships were instructed to do with the updated information pages...
IMHO... Would n't buy a haynes service manual(EVEN for a Briggs & Stratton)
If "SomeBody" was selling maps.. Would you want to buy one that
1) may get you there
2) Get you there
Buy a Honda Service manual.. You should - Inquire if the added pages (of the updates) have been glued in.....
Has the dealerships were instructed to do with the updated information pages...
IMHO... Would n't buy a haynes service manual(EVEN for a Briggs & Stratton)
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Food for thought...........
If "SomeBody" was selling maps.. Would you want to buy one that
1) may get you there
2) Get you there
Buy a Honda Service manual.. You should - Inquire if the added pages (of the updates) have been glued in.....
Has the dealerships were instructed to do with the updated information pages...
IMHO... Would n't buy a haynes service manual(EVEN for a Briggs & Stratton)
If "SomeBody" was selling maps.. Would you want to buy one that
1) may get you there
2) Get you there
Buy a Honda Service manual.. You should - Inquire if the added pages (of the updates) have been glued in.....
Has the dealerships were instructed to do with the updated information pages...
IMHO... Would n't buy a haynes service manual(EVEN for a Briggs & Stratton)
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A haynes or chilton manual set next to the toilet would make marginal toilet paper and that's about the best use of them there is. Well next to starting a fire on a cold night when your bike is broke down and the manual lacks any real information.
I'd rather spend $60 or $80 on a factory manual than any of the aftermarket manuals period! The factory manuals give you all the information you need to know, not just the stuff they think you can handle. Do yourself a favor and get the factory manual. It's actually available for download for free here on this site I believe in the knowledge base forum.
I'd rather spend $60 or $80 on a factory manual than any of the aftermarket manuals period! The factory manuals give you all the information you need to know, not just the stuff they think you can handle. Do yourself a favor and get the factory manual. It's actually available for download for free here on this site I believe in the knowledge base forum.
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I've got got both for reference - hardcopy well-thumbed Haynes and the downloadable PDF Honda service manual (indexed & searchable)
Beware as the way the Haynes sets out how to set the valve timing is wrong. And as you'll need this procedure for installing manual CCTs, then follow the forum instructions for doing so in the workshop section.
Don't be put off the Haynes as it can be a handy reference for day to day jobs, and you can pick up a second-hand copy from Amazon a fair bit cheaper than the brand new price.
Amazon.com: Buying Choices: Honda VTR1000F (Firestorm Super Hawk) 97-07m JK1000V 1999-08 (Haynes Service & Repair Manual)
Beware as the way the Haynes sets out how to set the valve timing is wrong. And as you'll need this procedure for installing manual CCTs, then follow the forum instructions for doing so in the workshop section.
Don't be put off the Haynes as it can be a handy reference for day to day jobs, and you can pick up a second-hand copy from Amazon a fair bit cheaper than the brand new price.
Amazon.com: Buying Choices: Honda VTR1000F (Firestorm Super Hawk) 97-07m JK1000V 1999-08 (Haynes Service & Repair Manual)
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Why would you want to buy a service manual if you can download it on the forum for free???
All you need to do is look in knowledge base:
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...-manual-11365/
All you need to do is look in knowledge base:
https://www.superhawkforum.com/forum...-manual-11365/
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I've got both, I usually reference both when doing a job and have yet to find any discrepancy between the two...
There's a good change I've got selective memory and FSM is different over Haynes, but I'd think Haynes would work just fine, and hands down Haynes has better wiring diagrams.
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I'm so confused right now, I've always used Haynes on all of my vehicles and never heard of the unanimous disgust with them! I feel like I'm missing out on some sort of mechanic vendetta or something!
BTW, Northman, you can download the FSM here:
http://www.superhawk996.net/Honda_VT...ice_Manual.pdf
And the manuals will work for all the years. All of the important stuff is the same.
BTW, Northman, you can download the FSM here:
http://www.superhawk996.net/Honda_VT...ice_Manual.pdf
And the manuals will work for all the years. All of the important stuff is the same.
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by flexibledoor69 » Mon Jul 23, 2012 10:19 pm
Hey all,
I'm new on here, joined a few weeks ago and have only been lurking since then. I feel the need to comment on Haynes (that does the Haynes Manuals) due to very recent dealings with them.
Long story short was that I changed out the cam chain tensioners and followed the Haynes method. A few bent valves later I searched the workshop forum on here and saw that I hadn't followed the steps from other members to set the cylinders at TDC (which a lot of you have also mentioned is the missing step in the Haynes manual)
Unfortunately I lost my temper and sent a venomous email to Haynes telling them that their manual was wrong and I pinned all the blame on them. (in retrospect I know I should have set the cylinders at TDC so I know I carry blame on this one too...) I was not expecting a response from Haynes considering my rude email however I did get a response which exceeded my expectations.
The Haynes Motorcycle Editorial Manager personally emailed me back to apologise for the wrong information being typed in their manuals (info given to them direct from Honda) and also that they had not had any feedback from the general public regarding the steps in their manual being incomplete. She has also stated that they have changed the process in their manuals to the correct one and that it will be corrected in the next printing batch that they produce. (see extract below)
I am pleased to hear that the procedure to remove the top-ends is going well and that the manual has been useful. No need at all to apologise for the tone of your e-mail.
We have prepared an amendment to our manual and will implement this when the manual is next reprinted
I just wanted to highlight to this user community that I think this is a massively commendable effort on their part. I don't know how much it costs to change text parts when you're printing bike manuals but to undertake this just because a guy from Australia lost his temper in an email is amazing customer service.
If the Mods of this forum want to broadcast this across other boards in this forum to let others know that the haynes manuals are being changed for this procedure I"m more than happy for you to do so.
Cheers guys, now its off to replace some bent valves!!
Hey all,
I'm new on here, joined a few weeks ago and have only been lurking since then. I feel the need to comment on Haynes (that does the Haynes Manuals) due to very recent dealings with them.
Long story short was that I changed out the cam chain tensioners and followed the Haynes method. A few bent valves later I searched the workshop forum on here and saw that I hadn't followed the steps from other members to set the cylinders at TDC (which a lot of you have also mentioned is the missing step in the Haynes manual)
Unfortunately I lost my temper and sent a venomous email to Haynes telling them that their manual was wrong and I pinned all the blame on them. (in retrospect I know I should have set the cylinders at TDC so I know I carry blame on this one too...) I was not expecting a response from Haynes considering my rude email however I did get a response which exceeded my expectations.
The Haynes Motorcycle Editorial Manager personally emailed me back to apologise for the wrong information being typed in their manuals (info given to them direct from Honda) and also that they had not had any feedback from the general public regarding the steps in their manual being incomplete. She has also stated that they have changed the process in their manuals to the correct one and that it will be corrected in the next printing batch that they produce. (see extract below)
I am pleased to hear that the procedure to remove the top-ends is going well and that the manual has been useful. No need at all to apologise for the tone of your e-mail.
We have prepared an amendment to our manual and will implement this when the manual is next reprinted
I just wanted to highlight to this user community that I think this is a massively commendable effort on their part. I don't know how much it costs to change text parts when you're printing bike manuals but to undertake this just because a guy from Australia lost his temper in an email is amazing customer service.
If the Mods of this forum want to broadcast this across other boards in this forum to let others know that the haynes manuals are being changed for this procedure I"m more than happy for you to do so.
Cheers guys, now its off to replace some bent valves!!
Where are all of you guys getting this hate on Haynes? I used it on valve timing b/c the instructions were easier to understand than FSM for me (especially the pics), which part was wrong? They get all of their tolerance and torque numbers from the FSM anyway...
I've got both, I usually reference both when doing a job and have yet to find any discrepancy between the two...
There's a good change I've got selective memory and FSM is different over Haynes, but I'd think Haynes would work just fine, and hands down Haynes has better wiring diagrams.
I've got both, I usually reference both when doing a job and have yet to find any discrepancy between the two...
There's a good change I've got selective memory and FSM is different over Haynes, but I'd think Haynes would work just fine, and hands down Haynes has better wiring diagrams.
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Aaaaaahhhh I must have the corrected one, then. Did not know that, thanks Wicky....\
Edit: wait, no, that can't be right cause that's from 2012... I must have missed that they didn't say to set cylinders to TDC... I read the forum and FSM as well so probably did it without thinking or notice that it was missing...
Edit: wait, no, that can't be right cause that's from 2012... I must have missed that they didn't say to set cylinders to TDC... I read the forum and FSM as well so probably did it without thinking or notice that it was missing...
Last edited by 7moore7; Feb 13, 2013 at 07:26 AM.
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Haynes manuals have always been,well both suspect in the twice or more translated text, as well as the pictorialheavy procedures they create for a task, vs the OEM Service manual which ismore orientated to a Tech that knows what a cam shaft, torque wrench and VOMis.
With the advent of the internet, aspecific internet forums to a bike, car or RC helicopter. My opinion is, an OEMservice manual with its specific data coupled with the real life help availableon an internet forum, You Tube, Google is the better choice.
Well take off, eh.
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So, for 25$ extra, get the good one for your bike. It's not that much more expensive, and, if you really need it some day, you'll be glade you did.
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Haynes manuals have always been,well both suspect in the twice or more translated text, as well as the pictorialheavy procedures they create for a task, vs the OEM Service manual which ismore orientated to a Tech that knows what a cam shaft, torque wrench and VOMis.
With the advent of the internet, aspecific internet forums to a bike, car or RC helicopter. My opinion is, an OEMservice manual with its specific data coupled with the real life help availableon an internet forum, You Tube, Google is the better choice.
With the advent of the internet, aspecific internet forums to a bike, car or RC helicopter. My opinion is, an OEMservice manual with its specific data coupled with the real life help availableon an internet forum, You Tube, Google is the better choice.
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I have both based on this logic. They do NOT cost you ANY money. If you repair you bike ONCE with them they were free. I used to keep track of the money I saved on my bikes and van by doing the repairs myself and its staggering.
I know this sounds fake but my heartfelt advice is download the honda manual. But if you are budgeting, buy the honda one. It honestly pays for itself. I started cheaply with the haynes but once I saw how much green I was saving I got the honda one too.
To my figuring, they were both free or better.
I know this sounds fake but my heartfelt advice is download the honda manual. But if you are budgeting, buy the honda one. It honestly pays for itself. I started cheaply with the haynes but once I saw how much green I was saving I got the honda one too.
To my figuring, they were both free or better.
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+1 agreed, not to mention with all the brilliant minds here you have more resources you'll ever need.
I used to use Haynes manuals years ago but they went downhill when they changed the format/layout IIRC back in the early 90's. They seem to be even more so aimed at the home mechanic/DIYer these days. The most useful thing in them is the schematics, torque settings and specifications for quick referance. Something to browse, have a quick flick through when on the toilet. LOL I suppose they are allright if you want something to compare against a factory manual and you want a few more pictures, but I would always rely on factory manual over the Haynes any day.
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thanks for all the info guys I appreciate it... And thats sweet I didnt know that you could download the manual off of here for free... Ill just do that and then pick up the cheaper manual off ebay for little stuff...
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