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fairing repair (ALL DONE!).. pretty much
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pretty much done, i just have to clean up the outside a bit. here are the pictures.
Attachment 29993 i used abs cement with fiberglass window screen repair patches. it worked really great. Attachment 29994 i used a dremel to rough up the plastic before using the cement. Attachment 29995 clamped the pieces together Attachment 29996 threw on the first coat of cement and then added a layer of fiberglass http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...n/IMG_6123.jpg then i put another layer of cement over the fiberglass and that's that Attachment 29997 this is what it now looks like Attachment 29998 i know it doesnt look beautiful, but i acheived exactly what i wanted too, so im satisfied. |
i have never used the stuff but supposedly harbor freight has abs repair kits. Kinda like sottering for plastics from what I hear. Other than that I don't have any other ideas
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DC, that's a real shame bro! If you're willing to go to the trouble you could fiberglass it back together. I've never tried it, but figure it would work if you refinished it afterwards with body putty and repainted, but I'd recommend saving yourself the grief and buy a used piece of plastic and just use it as an excuse to paint it Red=fastest color:)
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I have one of of the USC plastic "welders"... it works well, but a cheap soldering iron and a few of the ABS repair rods would probably be just as effective to fis that... you'll need sand and paint regardless...
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Get it plastic welded if you can get it done over the pond. I have heard of it done DIY with plastic coat hangers (as a 'solder' and a soldering iron) - need to make the fractured parts into a grooved v-angle for the plastic 'solder' to flow into.
Link http://kr250.org/KR_service.htm#panels Alternatively, rough up the back of the fairing to expose a key surface on the plastic - use some epoxy resin, fine aluminium mesh / fibre glass to join up and reinforce the back of the panel. Not pretty or perfect but will hold it together - More prep work, sanding & filling (flexible bumper filler), priming and finishing needed to get it acceptable to the eye. (Resprayers who need to bake the paint won't touch glass-fibre repaired panels) I fixed together my panel that got wrecked when the indicator punched through - drilled the cracks so they wouldn't spread. Masked up the front surface (so resin wouldn't ooze out) and did the repairs behind as described. Didn't bother to finish the outside and keep a brand new replacement fairing panel I got in compensation in reserve for a rainy day. http://homepage.mac.com/spaderunner/...te/cracked.jpg |
advance auto sells plastic weld. My old fairings were held together with it...great stuff.
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I had a few cracked areas around holes that I sanded the inside of and fiberglassed them. Then I just dremeled the leftover resin anywhere that clearance was an issue. It was a kit from the autoparts store, made by Bondo. (But not WITH bondo!)
Was nothing like what you posted, but I don't see why that wouldn't work also. Better than spending $400 plus paint for a replacement. |
What ever you do. Dont use these guys.www.empiregp.com You will not be happy with their work.
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Originally Posted by jmyg79
(Post 194807)
What ever you do. Dont use these guys.www.empiregp.com You will not be happy with their work.
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buy used and repaint.
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so far it sounds like plastic weld is a good way to go. ill have to do a little more research, but thanks for all the suggestions. it definitely helps. i could probably make fiberglass work too.
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Fiberglass will not bond to the ABS plastic that well, and I've never had great success with the plastic welder kits. Just get some ABS cement from ACE Hardware, it's in the plumbing section. I do a lot of ABS bodywork repairs in my buisness... trust me, this stuff works. Only use it on the back side of the plastic. If you put it on the outside, when you paint over it the paint will have a chemical reaction and "spider". Before you apply it, rough up the area with some 220 grit sandpaper. Put down a couple coats letting it dry between applications and you are good to go!
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well i have a fucked up left cowling.....I think that section of the cowl is still good....so maybe you could cut off that section and the other equally, then swap. then only have one controlled line to weld...instead of a bunch of fragments... I'll look and see when I get a chance. that part it in a friends garage right now. does this make sense to everyone?
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Originally Posted by inderocker
(Post 194821)
Fiberglass will not bond to the ABS plastic that well, and I've never had great success with the plastic welder kits. Just get some ABS cement from ACE Hardware, it's in the plumbing section. I do a lot of ABS bodywork repairs in my buisness... trust me, this stuff works. Only use it on the back side of the plastic. If you put it on the outside, when you paint over it the paint will have a chemical reaction and "spider". Before you apply it, rough up the area with some 220 grit sandpaper. Put down a couple coats letting it dry between applications and you are good to go!
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Loctite makes a plastic repair. My dad just used it on his VFR. If I can find the name, I'll post the info. He said it's great, cures quickly, sandable and paintable.
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Honestly, being a paint and body guy...that part is beyond repair. There is some stuff called q bond I highly recomend...easy to use and works awesome. Cheers!
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post pics of the project as you go. I am always looking for poor man's ways of repairing things as Im sure other on the site are too.
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Originally Posted by JOHNNYP
(Post 194887)
Honestly, being a paint and body guy...that part is beyond repair. There is some stuff called q bond I highly recomend...easy to use and works awesome. Cheers!
Originally Posted by cornandp
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post pics of the project as you go. I am always looking for poor man's ways of repairing things as Im sure other on the site are too.
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Originally Posted by cliby
(Post 194810)
can you elaborate? is this from first hand experience? I'd read other things on this site highly recommending them. If you are going to bash you ought to give a little detail. I'm interested as I had considered using them at some point.
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The ABS cement technique seems well worth investigating
Depends on what kind of plastic it is. Plastic welding is the best way. It fuses the pieces together without any glue nor does it need reinforcement. The repaired crack is usually stronger than the surrounding plastic. The welders are able to penetrate deeply for a thicker bond. It's really nothing more than a soldering iron or hot air gun and plastic rods of ABS Plastic to match your fairing. Rods are available for many kinds of plastic. http://www.eastwood.com http://www.urethanesupply.com/street.html My motorcycle's fairing is made of ABS plastic. I've had good luck using ABS cleaner and glue (not PVC). The cleaner removes dirt and grease. Spread the edges apart and brush a little ABS cement into the crack. After it dries cover the crack with filler from an ABS repair kit, or dissolve ABS shavings into some ABS cement and make your own filler putty or, it's sold there, some JB Weld. After the filler dries grind it flush. Coat the back of the repair area with JB Weld and a patch of wire or fiberglass window mesh to reinforce the repair. I lay a thin coat of JB Weld and press the screen mesh into it, then cover it with another coat of JB Weld. Just like working drywall. I also used two-part epoxy to reinforce a long crack. I laid a thick puddle of the epoxy over the crack, on the inside of the lower panel, and sunk short lengths of shirt hanger wire into that, across the crack line, for extra strength. kzrider.com - Plastic body panel repair. First Time.Forever! http://www.constructorservicesinc.com/PlasRep_03.JPG |
i'm in the water biz, pumps to be exact. one of the sales reps i deal with is pretty much up to his ears in he plumbing biz. he has a zx10 and swears by abs cement. i too am a believer.
contrary to what i just said, last summer when i bought my hawk i noticed a crack in the tail section. i wanted it fixed NOW and only had epoxy. i put it on the inside and it worked good. |
I've used the ABS cement as mentioned with excellent results. As for a mesh to hold it together.....window screen works well.
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Originally Posted by JOHNNYP
(Post 194887)
Honestly, being a paint and body guy...that part is beyond repair.
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Originally Posted by JOHNNYP
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Honestly, being a paint and body guy...that part is beyond repair. There is some stuff called q bond I highly recomend...easy to use and works awesome. Cheers!
Nothing is beyond repair... but it may be beyond perfect repair. This is an extreme case, but ABS cement was the base for the repair. A product called "Icing" was used on the paint side to smooth things out for painting. this pic doesn't do the damage justice. (Don't mind the greasy finger smudges;)) |
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Originally Posted by jmyg79
(Post 194807)
What ever you do. Dont use these guys.www.empiregp.com You will not be happy with their work.
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Originally Posted by Hawkrider
(Post 194964)
I beg to differ. They did a great job on my plastics. I sent them rashed and cracked stuff, dented tank, and multi color parts and the quality for the price can't be beat. I do have one mounting hole that shows a small flaw, but in 8000 miles it has held up just fine. Only I know it's there, and as picky as I am about my bikes I'm fine with it.
thanks for adding that Greg. I've heard mostly positive things about them. I have a small project (repaint only a couple of parts) I'm going to send them to give them a try and see what things look like before considering a bigger job. |
I debated whether I should even post, I do keep a eye on the forums but seldom post, I have done enough work here for the members to let it speak for its self, others can say more than I when it comes to whether someone is satisfied with what we charge for what we do.
I have posted the pictures of this part, while I am more than willing to work with someone who is not happy with something we have done I will not give in to a guy who has complained without even getting his part, the fact that the hole is oblong is not enough reason to say you are not happy with the part. When a part comes to us with a missing mounting hole the best I can do is try and guess where it used to be, the is no exact way to do this without mounting it on a bike, and this is not a option for me. My guess is that someone would rather have the part mount and have it a little bigger than not be able to line it up. I spent the time and the money to repair the part for him to ask for me to remove the work, the entire part had to be painted and cleared for free because of the shape of the mounting hole was ridiculous I am going to commit a business no-no and be blunt and honest here. We enjoy what we do, there are three of us who work here, we are not above making a mistake we fix probably more bikes than any shop in the country, I do not expect perfection, I do try to make a reasonable effort to fix something if we did. We are fortunate that we have plenty of work, enough so I can be choosy who I work for, I do not have to work for jerks, I try and provide a service that saves a guy money and gets his bike so it looks good again for less than he could by the part from the dealer, our goal is 50 percent of retail, if I can not save you that I will be up front and let you know that our service is not for you. If I think I can not make you happy I will also tell you to keep looking. I do still have this part and it is for sale to anyone but the original owner...Bob http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...d/CIMG1120.jpg http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c3...d/CIMG1118.jpg |
Bob,:welcome:
The part looks usable to me...whattcha asking for it? RC |
Originally Posted by FL02SupaHawk996
(Post 195036)
Bob,:welcome:
The part looks usable to me...whattcha asking for it? RC I have no idea what I charged the guy but you can have it shipped to your door for $125.. Thanks for the welcome, I am sure that this was not the best place to start out as a new member...Bob Death Cattle this is a easy fix just go to our web site and click on the examples of repaired parts there are many there in worst shape than yours |
Originally Posted by plasticweld
(Post 195038)
I have no idea what I charged the guy but you can have it shipped to your door for $125..
Thanks for the welcome, I am sure that this was not the best place to start out as a new member...Bob Death Cattle, if you can paint this is your best option...RC |
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