98VTRrider

While I might not agree with their techniques, I believe in what they are rallying for.

For those who don't know exactly what everyone is upset about, take 5 minutes to look through these visual aids....

I think a lot of people don't realize what they are fighting for, and think it's a bunch of lazy people who want something for nothing and free hand outs. That's not the case.

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the scroller bar on the right makes it look really long, the info only goes about a third of the way down.

autoteach

When you have no skin in the game(or think you don't), the game looks quite pointless. As I read through the comments I see someone say its pointless to stand up against what is wrong, because there will always be wrong. I also see others saying that they can't see/tell/understand what they are fighting for, even when given reasons. Wall Street robbed America. Some of us felt it, others didnt have been partially immune to it, but THE FACTS ARE IN. It actually happened, people are actually pissed off, and the ones camping out are the ones feeling it. If an OWS participant throws a little feces around, should the whole crew be disbanded and discredited? If a CCW participant shoots a bystander...I had to ask.

CrankenFine

You're right, the problem is hopeless. Those 'effin protesters only force us to realize how totally fucked all of us really are. If they would just pack up their tents and go away, we could all go back to really important stuff like why Michael Jackson died or what Charlie Sheen is up to... and other mega **** like that.

autoteach

That's it, I thought I was the only one allowed to write satyr and sarcasm. I am never coming back as you aren't taking this seriously.

autoteach

So, this is the extent of this individual demand. They want to be paid for not working. As in, this is literally the demand. They also want a completely open border policy with no regulation, no registration as a citizen, nothing? Don't you think that goes contrary to their collectivist/socialist ideals? Doesn't a closed border go counter productive to the free market economy ideals? Wouldn't a business who is shipping jobs overseas/across borders want to have that cheap labor force come to a city near them? Don't you want the people who work for these companies to spend the money they make in your economy?

7moore7

Wait, RK1, I'm not entirely sure why you're so dismissive of the OWS situation... it seems like there are a bunch of jobless weirdos amuck, but they are at least be bringing up the discussion of the legal system allowing big banks and corporations to run around and do pretty much whatever they want with our money.

But who else is going to protest? I'm certainly not going to quit my job to do so... better they're there than in food stamp lines...

I haven't seen any definite demands coming from the movement other than extreme individuals, which I really can't ever take seriously. It seems that the government is a big player in what's being protested... do you think OWS are just lazy free-loaders or maybe people who know somethings wrong but have a misguided focus?

autoteach

So, I get some of your points...but they seem to go against some of your arguments on other topics. Rather than dig up every place I see a discrepancy, I will give you an example of a discrepancy that I see in the Republican party at the national level that illustrates why I am frustrated and in the middle (not to say that there aren't issues with the democratic party, but I just recently divorced the Right and am most pissed at them).

Right wing stance: Constitutionalism, Religion, Freedom, anti-welfare, etc. These can be views, but have fighting central themes. Major item with the first two, separation of church and state. It seems like a long time ago the Right should have told the people , "we have no business in your business". Enter Freedoms argument...nuff said. But, how does the welfare item come into this. You have a group that is anti abortion, anti birth control, pro freedom, pro constitution, anti welfare, and some might argue slightly racist. So, you have inner city families, the ones that tend to have a higher teen pregnancy rate, lower income, that usually are on welfare, of which a majority are not white (although this plight is not one that Whitey is immune from). How can the argument be made that abstinence is key, planned parent hood (condoms) are bad, they have the freedom of religion (well, as long as its christianity, and devout of course), and they should get off the teet while they are at it? Ideally, yeah, sure, whatever... but as you and many argue(on many issues), it wont happen. So, you have a choice... condoms for all, or welfare for the kids of single poor mothers. In this case, if they would allow administering contraceptive via crop duster, I think that the republicans would be all for it. Even with the prospect of stunting the growth of the democratic base, I would think they would be for it.

It is these contradictions that have driven me from the right. Do I still hold right wing views? Some, but I bet I am more in line with the founding fathers than most of the tea party. Sure, the founding fathers would be against any type of gun control, but they rode horses, many lived on farms miles away from others, and carried guns everyday from the time they were old enough to hold one. And, this is a big one (or two), the social norms, laws, and such almost guaranteed a more polite society and guns were a chore to shoot and our pistols now are more accurate than the rifles they had. Where's your flint? Does this make me anti constitutional by some of the posts that I have made? In your eyes and others, yes. I am ok with that.

autoteach

Frankly, I think this is becoming a cop-out for you. If we gave ultimate freedom to corporations, and they violated the sanctity of their social contract (lets say polluted the shi* out of a river while making huge profits) and a group of people Occupied said business, would this be a huge waste of time, efforts that should be spent elsewhere for another cause, and their sole reason because "they want what others have".

I dont give a crap who deregulated it at this point, but the tea party and republicans aren't looking to re-regulate this and the financial institutions and wall street did "pollute" our economy on a level greater than the exon valdez. This is why people are pissed, and not running towards the group of no taxes and ultimate freedom.

autoteach

In my defense, I never said this was you. If you look at who I said it about, I think that you will see I never said RK1, this is YOU. But, you obviously associate yourself with the groups I accused, even though you don't hold the same beliefs on every topic as them and are now accusing me of accusing you of these things(although we accuse the OWS of the same guilty by association mantra). If you think that the tea party or the republicans dont stand for what I have accused (notice, I didnt mention you), then show me the proof with voting records that shows this. I don't mean individual outliers, but the movement or political groups overall record. I just dont think that will be something that can be proven, although I am up for being proven wrong whenever I get a chance.

geekonamotorcycle

nice; I have been occupying and working for a month now.

RWhisen

First things first. Did you buy your home to live in or as an investment?

If you bought to live in, you agreed to a specified price, now pay it. Do you return your car because it's worth less than when you drove it off the lot?

If you bought your home for an investment then your investment lost money like many stocks on the market. That's the price of investing.

Real estate speculation is just that, speculation and not guaranteed to pay off.

davidka