Blown engine in your future?
 

E15: a sure path to problems...

https://www.msn.com/en-ca/money/tops...id=mailsignout

But the EPA says it's "safe to use in VIRTUALLY all vehicles 2001 and newer," whatever the hell that means...

In all seriousness as of now it seems we still get a choice at the pump. Hopefully there doesn't come a time when we're forced to use it. I already pay another dollar a gallon for REC90 in my Superhawk because I don't ride it nearly as often as I drive my car and because f$&k the EPA...

Anyone with a bike, snowmobile, small engine, boat,... in the US ought to be worried...

No talk of this nonsense in Canada yet, hope it stays that way...

We've had between E10-E15 in all gasoline, even premium, here in the States for years. I wouldn't be too worried.....

If you still are, you can find the nearest non-ethanol gas station here https://www.pure-gas.org/

Yes And I have been racking up the labor hours in the last 10 years fixing the issues it causes.
"Blow up" a motor? Well no... Damage fuel system, cause tuning issues, decrease power YES

Really? I was under the impression (and it states so on the pump for whatever that's worth) that it's "up to 10%." And I was of the understanding that there's a pretty good difference between E10 and E15.

Don't forget damaged valves and valve seats and destroyed catalytic converters. Studies have already shown it.

Can't speak for the US, but here in Canada, much of our gas is/contains "up to 10% ethanol". The marine engine association and snowmobile manufacturers association (and other "small engine" manufacturers) have carried out extensive testing on E15 in recent years and the verdict is clear and unequivocal: it kills engines (the additional leaning caused by the ethanol is enough to push things over the edge). Virtually all small engines are approved for up to E10, you're on your own with E15.

Just another totally asinine move by people who should know better.

I have not heard of any move to do the same here in Canada and it hope it stays that way...

Well the alternative is to hurry up and run out of gas an switch everything to electric...
Maybe we can stop all the useless racing around in circles wasting it? :lol:

we have ethanol in US gas because our farm subsidies and economics are completely out of control and so the government agreed to buy surplus corn from farmers, and didn't know what to do with it. As a result there is a huge industry of how to put corn into everything that we own. It's in our sugar, and now it's in our gas tanks. I wouldn't call it a "renewable" fuel because it costs a significant amount MORE petrol to grow it than the energy you get out of it by putting it in your tank. It's a waste, and it's pretty crap for your fuel system.

Wow that's very interesting. Is this the same thread you were referring to or is there a different one?

https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forum...Number=1107478

One of them. One chap noted that they saw a 2 hp increase (on dyno) on a 450 MX.

Here is one of the threads that got the ball rolling: Been testing Oil

Can't be against free horsepower, smoother running and better wear protection, can you?

which brand valve saver are you using? Flashtune?

The one I use is Flash tune I think . Heven't paid that much attention , as long as it says valve saver or lead replacement that's what I use.

Like I said, every fill !

cheers

Ken, interesting. I'll look at starting to use it at every fill. Flashlube I think it is.
How much do you put in by the way? I have a 98, so small tank.

I fill with 95, any difference using 98 or 91 by the way?

Manual states 86 octane and up. I've used 87 since day one, never any detonation and it's never run "better" on the expensive stuff.

well, I took the plunge and ordered some valve saver fluid. Having spent significant money on this last rebuild (which will be its last) and with the engine (indeed the entire bike) running incredibly well, I want to do everything I can to make it last, which includes keeping the valvetrain fresh and tight.