Just write the damn ticket and shutup
07-10-2010, 02:24 PM
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Just write the damn ticket and shutup
So I am heading home from a stupid first aid /CPR class which happened to get scheduled on the nicest saturday of the year so far and I get ticketed about 1/2 mile from my house for 61mph in a 50mph on a long downhill. Now I wouldnt be bitchin if I was out tearing it up and got caught but damnit I was just coasting down the hill being mellow. What really set me off though was the WSP officer needing to tell me that my bike is too loud and that it is illegal to modify the exhaust for performance if it raises the noise.Now to be fair he was polite and **** and he did not write me up for the exhaust, but then he goes on to say that he doesnt understand why we would change the exhaust since these bikes are so fast anyways and that I should repack my mufflers (which I just did) and that he has been there done that with bikes and, HEY I dont want to talk bikes with some sportbike hating patrolmen after he writes me up for 144 bucks when i wasnt even having fun yet. Shut the F%$# up and hand me the damn ticket and leave while I can still be polite enough to avoid gettin cuffed and stuffed. 
Ok now off to install carb kit
Ok now off to install carb kit
07-10-2010, 03:07 PM
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haha rite, i got pulled over last night. really dark and there was a unmarked police car that decide to ride right in my blind spot for about a mile or so, well i had enough of not being about to see him so i decide to gear down and just take off. well next thing i know is theres blues light behind me. so i pull over. he says did you not see the cop car right beside you. i said well you were in my blind spot plus its dark so, no... then have you got a motorcycle license, uh yeah. well how fast were you going uh, i really dont know exactly. he says well i was at 98 and you were still pulling away really fast. and well that kinda put a smile on my face... lol but needless to say he never asked to see my dl and just tells me to slow down and go on... thats like the 3rd warning ive had on that bike
07-10-2010, 04:52 PM
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07-10-2010, 05:06 PM
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Around here the cops make less than the preachers. I applied for a job at the local pd a few years ago In the interview the chief told me it starts at $9.00 per hour, i politely said I think we are wasting each other's time and left.
07-10-2010, 06:36 PM
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I was pulled over a few years back in SC for dragging my feet. This was on the tail end of a 500-mile trip and I was just trying to get rid of a cramp. The cop ran through the entire thing, checking my lights, blinkers, etc... and then started talking about his bike (a V-Max) and how fast it was.
I don't know. It's practically illegal to be on a motorcycle these days. They can get you for anything if they're feeling like dicks. All you can do is be as polite as possible and then head for the primitive roads, where you can act like you're a grown up and have some say over what you do and no one gives a f*ck.
It's a no-win situation, Dutchdude. If you say what you feel they pin you for noise ordinance violation, aftermarket mirrors, poor illumination of the plates, whatever else is on their standard list. If you skate by and take whatever sh*t they want to give you, you might get away with nothing at all, but how does that make you feel?
Luck of the draw, I guess.
I don't know. It's practically illegal to be on a motorcycle these days. They can get you for anything if they're feeling like dicks. All you can do is be as polite as possible and then head for the primitive roads, where you can act like you're a grown up and have some say over what you do and no one gives a f*ck.
It's a no-win situation, Dutchdude. If you say what you feel they pin you for noise ordinance violation, aftermarket mirrors, poor illumination of the plates, whatever else is on their standard list. If you skate by and take whatever sh*t they want to give you, you might get away with nothing at all, but how does that make you feel?
Luck of the draw, I guess.
07-11-2010, 03:45 AM
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One day in my town a cop was ticketing parked cars with expired meters. I had a bunch of quarters, so I walked up and down the street and put quarters in all the expired meters, just to be a dick. Cops should spend more time ticketing cell phone talking soccer-moms as they are the biggest menance out there if you ask me. Can you imagine that lecture?
07-11-2010, 04:17 AM
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Don't you just love the current ethic of "if they don't catch me it must not be wrong" or "if I can get off on a technicality I must be innocent"?
Perhaps the LEO's "preach" because the person they've stopped doesn't seem to have a grasp on what is lawful.
We all go out on the roads knowing the rules. If not, get a copy of the traffic codes for your area and bone up on them.
As adults, we can do what we want; as long as we take responsibility for any extra-legal actions.
The roads belong to everyone. Even with laws in place, people will try to stretch the rules a little. Imagine if there were no rules.
It's not that I love rules; I just like people that own up to things and don't bellyache.
Perhaps the LEO's "preach" because the person they've stopped doesn't seem to have a grasp on what is lawful.
We all go out on the roads knowing the rules. If not, get a copy of the traffic codes for your area and bone up on them.
As adults, we can do what we want; as long as we take responsibility for any extra-legal actions.
The roads belong to everyone. Even with laws in place, people will try to stretch the rules a little. Imagine if there were no rules.
It's not that I love rules; I just like people that own up to things and don't bellyache.
07-11-2010, 05:24 AM
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If the rules were administered by machines with absolute impartiality I'd agree, Neddid, but they aren't. They're largely determined by the whim of the police officers' moods. If they weren't, we'd all get more tickets and warnings wouldn't exist. The fact that a cop can CHOOSE to let me go if he feels like it sort of proves the laws are not hard, like you assume, but flexible and arbitrary.
All that said, cops do a hard job mostly well. If I have my choice, I head to the hills, where I sort of set my own rules as a mature adult who has, after all, paid taxes on these roads.
All that said, cops do a hard job mostly well. If I have my choice, I head to the hills, where I sort of set my own rules as a mature adult who has, after all, paid taxes on these roads.
07-11-2010, 10:55 AM
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I'm with nekkid, the rules are there for a reason. With current technology, police could gps track vehicles, tell how fast they are going, and give tickets for speeding and blowing stop signs/lights as well as faulty maintenance (as most vehicles can diagnose almost all circuits). I think this would be really fair. If you do anything wrong, you get a ticket. Break the limit, ticket, roll a stop sign, ticket. And think of the savings that we would have on police, cause traffic stops wouldn't even be necessary. WE would also save lots of fuel and almost definitely increase the amount of public transportation after the loss of licenses by 3/4 of the population.
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07-11-2010, 11:49 AM
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Sure, if that technology is out there... It's probably better than the current situation, where a cop can get me for going 5 miles over the limit, then arbitrarily let you go because you've got all your teeth or know his brother.
Also cops don't HAVE to show radar right now, which means it's their word against your word. I was stopped on the parkway a couple years ago for going 15 miles over the limit. I asked to see the radar (since I was on my Hawk GT going up a hill and there was no way I got up to 65 mph that quickly) and was told he didn't need to show me.
I went to court, the DA asked if I was speeding 15 miles over the limit and I told him no way, so he asked, "How about 10 miles? Were you going 10 miles over?" The DA didn't even believe the cop, but at that point they just wanted some money to pay for all the paperwork.
Also cops don't HAVE to show radar right now, which means it's their word against your word. I was stopped on the parkway a couple years ago for going 15 miles over the limit. I asked to see the radar (since I was on my Hawk GT going up a hill and there was no way I got up to 65 mph that quickly) and was told he didn't need to show me.
I went to court, the DA asked if I was speeding 15 miles over the limit and I told him no way, so he asked, "How about 10 miles? Were you going 10 miles over?" The DA didn't even believe the cop, but at that point they just wanted some money to pay for all the paperwork.
07-11-2010, 03:05 PM
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07-11-2010, 03:24 PM
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LOL!
Look at it this way: If they ticketed everyone for every law they broke, the government would need to change the laws. A law doesn’t make sense if the majority of people ignore it or of if the police don’t take it seriously enough to enforce it, so many (if not most) of these trivial traffic violations would disappear.
I think this would be the most likely outcome of a mandatory GPS system in every vehicle, which is why they’ll never do it. They want you to speed sometimes because in admitting that you’ve broken a law that everyone always breaks, you legitimize their arbitrary rules and give them a nice revenue stream.
If you said, look, everyone is breaking this law – and could point to GPS data showing that you’re right – they would have to admit how silly traffic laws are. These sorts of laws aren’t based on ethics or shared beliefs – they’re based (mostly) on capricious rules applied by anonymous zoning commissions.
Look at it this way: If they ticketed everyone for every law they broke, the government would need to change the laws. A law doesn’t make sense if the majority of people ignore it or of if the police don’t take it seriously enough to enforce it, so many (if not most) of these trivial traffic violations would disappear.
I think this would be the most likely outcome of a mandatory GPS system in every vehicle, which is why they’ll never do it. They want you to speed sometimes because in admitting that you’ve broken a law that everyone always breaks, you legitimize their arbitrary rules and give them a nice revenue stream.
If you said, look, everyone is breaking this law – and could point to GPS data showing that you’re right – they would have to admit how silly traffic laws are. These sorts of laws aren’t based on ethics or shared beliefs – they’re based (mostly) on capricious rules applied by anonymous zoning commissions.
07-11-2010, 05:06 PM
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If a law doesn't make sense because a lot of people are breaking it then we should just rescind immigration laws and open the borders.
Application of laws may be, at times, arbitrary. That does not make the law worthless. Yes, you could have gotten off with a warning, not a ticket. Are you entitled to a break every time? Should everyone bring you a birthday present too?
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Hitler may have spoken a few truths in his time.
Everyone has a story or two about a miscarriage of justice. Any system conceived by and administered by people will have flaws. In the main, our system works.
In short, and as I said before, do what you want but own up to it. Don't expect a break like Lindsey Lohan did.
Application of laws may be, at times, arbitrary. That does not make the law worthless. Yes, you could have gotten off with a warning, not a ticket. Are you entitled to a break every time? Should everyone bring you a birthday present too?
In Communications, a message is not invalidated by the mettle of the speaker.
Hitler may have spoken a few truths in his time.
Everyone has a story or two about a miscarriage of justice. Any system conceived by and administered by people will have flaws. In the main, our system works.
In short, and as I said before, do what you want but own up to it. Don't expect a break like Lindsey Lohan did.
07-11-2010, 05:41 PM
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07-11-2010, 06:09 PM
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I take some blame for steering the discussion away from Dutchdude's original point.
I wonder if cops have any legal leeway as far as sermonizing goes… I mean, if he had started citing the bible, you know he would have been kicked off the force, but his opinions about sportbikes are as irrelevant. Is there a specific time limit that someone needs to spend with a cop after he or she has written the ticket?
I’d like to think that unless I’ve broken a law, my time is my own.
Illegal aliens are, by definition, not citizens. As far as I’m concerned, US laws should be decided by US citizens. I think the further you get away from this basic idea, the more likely you are to get into trouble. The less people participate in the creation of laws, the more silly and arbitrary they tend to be.
I wonder if cops have any legal leeway as far as sermonizing goes… I mean, if he had started citing the bible, you know he would have been kicked off the force, but his opinions about sportbikes are as irrelevant. Is there a specific time limit that someone needs to spend with a cop after he or she has written the ticket?
I’d like to think that unless I’ve broken a law, my time is my own.
Illegal aliens are, by definition, not citizens. As far as I’m concerned, US laws should be decided by US citizens. I think the further you get away from this basic idea, the more likely you are to get into trouble. The less people participate in the creation of laws, the more silly and arbitrary they tend to be.
07-12-2010, 05:25 PM
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then we wouldnt need a rant forum would we- we would all ride stock bikes with less than 120 hp( cuz who needs more than that to drive 70 mph) and we might as well be on GD scooter drinkin bottled water - oh correction- make that filtered water cuz bottles are bad now, etc...
07-12-2010, 06:46 PM
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then we wouldnt need a rant forum would we- we would all ride stock bikes with less than 120 hp( cuz who needs more than that to drive 70 mph) and we might as well be on GD scooter drinkin bottled water - oh correction- make that filtered water cuz bottles are bad now, etc...
07-13-2010, 06:14 AM
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See, I think the fine is retribution for breaking the law. Being detained -- lectured to -- because someone doesn't like you (whatever the reason) is at best a measure of how polite we are as a society and at worse an abuse of power.
In any case, I think you’re innocent until proven guilty and Dutchdude hasn’t actually been convicted of anything at the time this cop lectures him so your point is moot, Old Yeller. Maybe the judge has some justification for lecturing him at the time of the verdict, but not the cop.
In any case, I think you’re innocent until proven guilty and Dutchdude hasn’t actually been convicted of anything at the time this cop lectures him so your point is moot, Old Yeller. Maybe the judge has some justification for lecturing him at the time of the verdict, but not the cop.
07-13-2010, 09:06 AM
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As the court date has not arrived yet, you are correct, however, Dutch admitted to the dastardly deed in his opening comments. Since most people just pay the fine and never appear in court to hear the judge's lecturing, people get it up front. 
07-13-2010, 09:38 AM
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One day in my town a cop was ticketing parked cars with expired meters. I had a bunch of quarters, so I walked up and down the street and put quarters in all the expired meters, just to be a dick. Cops should spend more time ticketing cell phone talking soccer-moms as they are the biggest menance out there if you ask me. Can you imagine that lecture?
07-13-2010, 09:55 AM
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While the state patrol where I live suck, the local cops are super leanient. I really lucked out. Two days ago I was riding with my two friends(the ones CR doesnt like) and they decided to drag race. I let them go but I was still doin about 75 in a 50 and all three of us went right by a cop sitting in the median facing us and he never followed us. Maybe he was clocking traffic going the other way. All I know is we got off the hook.
07-13-2010, 09:58 AM
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07-13-2010, 01:11 PM
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You did something wrong, you got what you deserved. If you don't commit offenses, then you don't have any problems. If you choose to push the limits of legality, then don't whine about the consequences. They should probably lecture twice as long because it doesn't seem to sink in. Sometimes you get lucky and get by with it. sometimes they throw the book at you. Consider yourself fortunate when you get by, and don't be surprised at consequences when you get caught.
Perhaps video judging. that way they can find you guilty and then execute the judge's sentence. I'm thinking double tap to the back of the head, but that's probably why I'm not a judge.
Perhaps video judging. that way they can find you guilty and then execute the judge's sentence. I'm thinking double tap to the back of the head, but that's probably why I'm not a judge.
07-13-2010, 01:20 PM
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You did something wrong, you got what you deserved. If you don't commit offenses, then you don't have any problems. If you choose to push the limits of legality, then don't whine about the consequences. They should probably lecture twice as long because it doesn't seem to sink in. Sometimes you get lucky and get by with it. sometimes they throw the book at you. Consider yourself fortunate when you get by, and don't be surprised at consequences when you get caught.
Perhaps video judging. that way they can find you guilty and then execute the judge's sentence. I'm thinking double tap to the back of the head, but that's probably why I'm not a judge.
Perhaps video judging. that way they can find you guilty and then execute the judge's sentence. I'm thinking double tap to the back of the head, but that's probably why I'm not a judge.
OK, you think a punishment is due if you get caught speeding... OK, you think a lecture is fine... I fully agree with the first and only half agree with the last...
But unless you are prepared to go out in the yard and do that double tap on yourself for your past speeing infractions, you are infact a hypocrite...
The law says you get a fine... Nowhere in the law is there a mention of a lecture... Not in Swedish law, not in any US law... So unless you want to change that law, the lecture isn't neccesary or welcome... Unfortunately it's something we get to live with, since cops are unlikely to stop doing it...
