VTR1000F

I don't feel you adequately addressed the allegation of a love of burnouts.

smokinjoe73

I thought I did. Burnouts are mainly for drunken fat Harley rednecks trying to impress other like people.

OR for Motogp/ WSBK race winners. So I guess those are the 2 categories which should make it easy to figure out. Its a misuse of a bike. Kinda like if you can't be a good rider you can do that to get attention.

But I aint judging.

VTR1000F

Yeah, but do you love them?

smokinjoe73

Hahaha

7moore7

MotoGP misuses bikes. People just running around in loops for the sake of fun?! These should be for economical transportation only, and Superhawks should only be used to deliver babies. If you're using them for heathenish pursuits of happiness you should be ashamed to call yourself part of humanity's progress. Also, sometimes an aluminum can is the perfect shim for your BMW even if it is just an aluminum can.

jefejrs

I thought anything past 4 hours you were supposed to call your doctor? Zing!

RoadManiac

@ smokinjoe
a well performed (higher speed) rolling burnout takes skill..... not VERY much i agree especially if you have a stretched rear then its just let the clutch out and go but with the hawk its tricky, and a grippy race tyre on the rear and a normal tyre on the front doesnt make it easier..... the more you burn the hotter it gets and subsequently more grippy and then it wants to wheely real bad

smokinjoe73

So that is what you are telling yourself? Skill? Nevermind the offensiveness to the non moto population (and plenty of bikers too).

Maybe if you learned a usefull skill like track riding or panic braking. You know, use those powers for good instead of evil. Do some charity rides, etc.

We have enough trouble not being hated by the public. This works against out cause so why do it?

And not really buying the skill thing. I race in Loudon & during Laconia bike week the Harly drunkards do tons of burnouts and cant ride their way out or a wet paper bag.

Something you can learn in 10 min is not something to brag about skill wise.

E.Marquez

You think "panic braking " is a skill? We call that a mistake or lack of skill in my world.

I get it though, you don't think doing a burn out is appropriate.. ok.. Many don't think you riding a "donor cycle" is appropriate. They like you are entitled to your opinion.. There opinions like yours mean little to others who don't approve.

I don't do burn outs... no moral or ethical objection.. I just don't want to subject my bikes to that unneeded stress.

smokinjoe73

Its like if we were all cowboys. Some cowboys beat their horses and were abusive to them.

Others loved them an knew if you take care of your horse, your horse will take care of you.

I am the 2nd one.

tillyhawkrider

Oh my lord Joe!! You just keep stepping squarely into the sight picture! Yes those cowboys that beat their horses rode fast just not for very far, while those cowboys that loved their horses, well they weren't going any where because they were looking for the right stump to get up on.

Is what you're stating something to the effect of "the full limits of intended usage"?

Or possibly somewhat rational use with in equipment capabilities?



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smokinjoe73

Tilly, you are figuring burnouts as part of the intended use for the VTR?

Guess that's where we disagree.

Guess you are a burnout guy.

RoadManiac

also its not like i go out and buy used tyres for doing burnouts, just when a tyre is past the point that i dont feel safe i smoke it, so maybe 2 burnouts in a year
like thats going to effect the engine in anyway

7moore7

Joe, you think exploding in some cylinders to run loops around a field was the intended use of the organic matter that decomposed into crude oil thousands of years ago was the intention? Or the aluminum extracted from the ground? Or maybe the people who designed the plastic process for the fairings had hopes of it being used for medical equipment or space exploration. Hell, when you look at how many complex resources are put into plastic happy meal toys, we are a long way off from optimizing or even come close to criticizing what we do for recreation I would think...

VTR1000F

A casual examination of a SuperHawk will make it painfully obvious that the intended purpose of this device is for use in rain, snow and ice. Right, joe?

smokinjoe73

7, your sounding a bit stoned. Happy meals? Are those the muchies? Space medicine? Huh? Pull youself together man.

Yes, all those things were for that purpose. But now since its all a superhawk, in my book burnouts are a sensless abuse of said materials.

And don't get me started on "space exploration". Aren't we supposed to be living on the moon by now? Or did we even ever go there? If so why aren't there commuter trips by now? Crude airplanes turned to commercial airlines. Moon shots haven't even been tried since the 60's? Does that make sense?

C'mon guys. You either are a burnout guy or not. But it is abusive. I will flog my racebikes for days at a time but yeah, going through the gears is meant to be while moving. (IMHO)/YMMV

7moore7

Close, but it was scotch and not grass

I think I'm a burnout guy, but I've never tried one. Perhaps I'll reform once I get older to a higher bike ethical standard and only use my bike for the intended sport touring. I'll probably put all of the intended oem parts back on too

jerryh

Couple years ago the local Kaw dealer had a little bike show/meet and greet in the parking lot. Cones set up for mini races and other events, food etc. Had a burnout competition for guys who's rears were trashed anyway. So picture 4 bikes lighting up the rears and a huge cloud of smoke drifting into the dealership. Fire alarm went off and fire trucks roared up sirens blaring and all. Everyone choking on smoke and laughing their ***'s off. Firemen stuck around and enjoyed the show. Cool vibe

Wolverine

Joe, spent any time on a dirt bike?? Tell me you've never sat in a mud puddle and spun a 10 foot high rooster tail!?!?! I practically grew up on dirt and ohh the fun of it. Was a dirt bike designed to sit still and spin tire? I think not (no airflow through the 2 strokes air cooling fins in my case). Did it hurt my bike, no. I wish I knew how many miles I traveled on that thing!
Ya really can be a burnout guy and not be the drunkard Hardly type. Live a little! Do ya ever loft the front wheel just for the fun of it?

And as always VTR1000F's post =


Anyone have a good VTR burnout vid to share??

Wolverine

RoadManiac

me on the hawk

VTR1000F

RoadManiac, in my narrow view, I don't feel your post was in the proper spirit of the intended use of this forum.

Nice Mad Max style donut, BTW.

tillyhawkrider

Say Joe, I can't afford to be a "burned-out" guy. It maybe fun for some. if so DO IT! You know whatever blows their dress up. Stunting also isn't my thing, but there are those that... I am with you on the pointless abuse issue. I enjoy my hawk, I even like riding it whether anyone notices me or not. I don't need to make a statement with my hawk. It's not a status symbol for me, it's all about the luxury of one of the real pleasures in my life.




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